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>>samwil+(OP)
I’m truly scared of Chrome.

It pushes proprietary features, from what I know it starts enforcing some analytics/ads without possibility to block it out and there are other thing too, but since I’m not really an user I don’t track them deeply.

Based on my personal experiences with IE, ActiveX, Adobe Flash and not being able to fill my taxes without Microsoft license (that was around 800$ back then for me not adjusted for inflation) I am afraid the same will happen with Chrome once it gets enough ground.

“Hey, sorry but we can’t sell you toothbrush because you’re using Safari/Firefox/Vivaldi/whatever. Please switch to Chrome and continue with your tracked and dissected purchase route.”

Is there any other anti-Chrome bastion than iOS’ Safari?

Old E2E runner installed Google Chrome on my machine (didn’t even ask but that’s user space on dev machine so whatever) which grew into my MacOS machine. It cannot run in background but there is another daemon that constantly updates it. Multiple times a day I get notification that new service has been installed to run in background.

I’m not sure if that’s something I want to fight for.

>>xlii+5h
If Apple was forced to compete on iOS for the dominant position that Safari holds, it would receive greater investment, add support for vital missing PWA features and potentially as a result grow its desktop market. I believe competition in the long run would break Blinks dominant position, and be better for both consumers and developers.

>>samwil+ei
If Apple was forced to compete

It is not a fair market since the maker of one of the browsers also owns a significant portion of the websites that people use daily. Now Google has to play nice with Safari to some extend, since the don't want to miss out on the lucrative iPhone market. Once Google can offer Chrome on iOS, they will destroy Safari with the same underhanded practices as they did to Firefox (a pattern of subtly breaking Firefox with Google products).

>>microt+Hk
> Once Google can offer Chrome on iOS, they will destroy Safari with the same underhanded practices

I don't believe that would happen, firstly Apple would fight back, and secondly the competition authorities would take action against Google.

Google is under scrutiny for its behaviour too.

You can't fight or justify anti competitive behaviour with anti competitive behaviour back.

>>samwil+fl
The moment iOS is forced to give browser freedom, chrome has won.

It will be a sad day for sure.

>>philli+io
>The moment iOS is forced to give browser freedom, chrome has won.

...because Chrome is a much better browser? That's what you're trying to say?

>>rs_rs_+LA
Chrome will become the better browser for Google services, because Google will intentionally degrade them on other browsers.

This is not theoretical, the playbook is obvious and has been run before, by Microsoft.

>>snowwr+IO
Sorry to sound personal, but your arguments left the realm of facts somewhere up there. I see your account has some duration and karma, which negates the usual argument of paid marketing accounts, the practice so prevalent these days (and past decade).

As for walled monopoly - what if Apple allowed Firefox with its free extension model - what argument would you come up then? One can easily use ublock origin with Firefox, a thing Apple fears quite a bit - its by far the best ad-blocking and to certain extent tracking technology out there currently. We all know here on HN that Apple is moving to marketing more and more (currently 4 billion/year for them and growing fast), so they will never allow this unless forced by law.

Which is one of those situations where users lose and corporation wins (unless you consider ads and tracking a good thing when Apple does it, but that's... illogical to be polite).