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1. user39+j7[view] [source] 2022-12-08 13:16:18
>>TimWol+(OP)
The worst part about PHP is constantly hearing from its detractors, who are often people who haven’t used the language in many years. Haystack needle order, $, fractal of bad design, it just gets old.

The language isn’t perfect but I love working with it, these 8.1 and 8.2 improvements have really made it sweet.

My biggest gripe at the moment is the (very old) behavior of e.g. preg_match() and sort(). You’ve got a small handful of these common functions that operate on their input by reference/in place which is gross. A new version of these would be welcome.

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2. cies+O9[view] [source] 2022-12-08 13:35:17
>>user39+j7
> I love working with it

Great! Keep using it! Ignore us. We (detractors) also had to use it and have since learned (hopefully several) other languages that (not looking at you JS) we like much better... :)

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3. zmxz+oa[view] [source] 2022-12-08 13:38:29
>>cies+O9
What was the motive behind this post? What do you hope to gain?

If it's recognition for learning <insert-language>, how do I provide it to you?

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4. sdiaco+jY[view] [source] 2022-12-08 17:50:54
>>zmxz+oa
Something that is extremely common in the PHP community, and pretty much absent in any other programming community, is this knee-jerk aversion to the idea of learning another language, and this sort of derision to those who do.

Have you consider that people who learn other programming languages are not doing so in order to claim that they're better than PHP programmers, but for their own intrinsic reasons?

It's such a weird, fragile ego situation. Does everyone else have to pretend that PHP is the only language that exists in order to placate your sense of inferiority?

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5. zmxz+V33[view] [source] 2022-12-09 08:07:41
>>sdiaco+jY
Let's recap: post about PHP, ex-PHP user posts completely false info.

Your reaction: "why do PHP devs get upset when ex-PHP users write false things about the language? Also, none of you know any other languages".

Thanks for the ad-hominem, that concludes this discussion.

Also, plenty of people who use PHP know so many other languages. You don't appear to be a professional in this industry, especially not with this kind of discourse.

Take care.

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6. sdiaco+Ap3[view] [source] 2022-12-09 11:37:27
>>zmxz+V33
To be clear, I never said that PHP developers don't know any other languages, and I don't believe that is true.

My comment was in response to you asking whether the other user (who as far as I can tell was not posting any false information about PHP, just pointing out that they personally preferred other languages?) wanted _recognition_, from you personally, for having learned some other language.

This is such a weird reaction to have to the idea that someone has learned, and/or would rather use, some other language. I hope you can see that.

Of course, it's not just you. I have never seen any programming language community that feels _threatened_ by the idea of other languages existing and being learned, in the way that the PHP community does.

Fundamentally, this is a learned social behaviour, which means that whether or not individual PHP developers know other languages does not matter. A community that treats acquiring additional knowledge as a _threat_, seeing learning from the outside world as a _betrayal_, will not be able to learn _from_ other languages.

As bringing new ideas and thoughts into the community is socially discouraged, it will only be possible for learning to flow in one direction: away from the PHP community.

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