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1. okwubo+x7[view] [source] 2022-05-19 07:20:31
>>donsup+(OP)
The last few weeks (months, really) has highlighted an incredible lack of discernment in the VC-verse wrt the thing we call web3. Now. I have no experience doing what YC does and don’t claim to, but the jig here was so transparent that the smallest drop of “street smart” should’ve been enough to set off some alarms.

We’re approaching a point where being passed over for “culture fit” is a compliment. Hopefully the embarrassment is enough to expand the founder vetting checkboxes.

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2. hardwa+Nb[view] [source] 2022-05-19 08:02:12
>>okwubo+x7
I think this is something like AI -- where people who are calling it "AI" are often sales people/hucksters (I mean this as little a pejorative sense as possible), and the people calling it "ML" are the practitioners/people you should be listening to.

Once a phrase gains mainstream adoption and starts to rapidly lose meaning, I find that people who care dearly about that thing start calling it something else.

That said -- I really struggle to find the people who are really all in on crypto in a technical sense. Where are the people building cool things and trying to push the boundaries with crypto? Surely it's still happening but just hard to find it in all the debris/trash.

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3. puranj+rf[view] [source] 2022-05-19 08:43:24
>>hardwa+Nb
As someone who went heavy into crypto/web3, it does pain me to admit that there really are no use cases besides making money. Which isn’t a bad use case by itself, but after using practically hundreds of protocols and projects, there’s not a single one I’d use if there was no prospect of making money off of it. My dApp usage has cooled off almost completely. And all data shows that this is true for most others as well
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4. hardwa+ph[view] [source] 2022-05-19 09:03:25
>>puranj+rf
> As someone who went heavy into crypto/web3, it does pain me to admit that there really are no use cases besides making money. Which isn’t a bad use case by itself, but after using practically hundreds of protocols and projects, there’s not a single one I’d use if there was no prospect of making money off of it. My dApp usage has cooled off almost completely. And all data shows that this is true for most others as well

I appreciate the candor -- I still hold out hope, thinking maybe PoS (with equally bought-in parties) could work, but at that point you might as well have regular old paper and pencil coordination/contracts...

The tech is novel, but the applications just don't seem to be falling into place at all... I even consider the ability for it to function as cool points (not NFTs but just a way to make and check exclusive tokens) is OK because it gives community builders a way to pull forward revenue. If I think of it like a self-hosted app for managing exclusive tokens then I can kind of see a use -- if before people didn't have an on-ramp to enforcing their own manufactured exclusivity then maybe it has some positive effects...

Unfortunately right now it looks like the ecosystem is just a backdoor to unregulated securities. Some of the automated exchange stuff (uniswap and co) seemed cool too though I haven't looked too deeply at them.

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5. puranj+4m[view] [source] 2022-05-19 09:56:26
>>hardwa+ph
The one thing that still makes me excited for this tech is web wallets and being able to pay/send money with them. If they are widely adopted, and a safe stablecoin (maybe even a CBDC) becomes the defacto transacting currency with quick on/off ramps, it would really change the way we pay for things online.

Like buying a monthly subscription for a tool like, say, Icy.tools, is so much faster when you can pay directly with metamask. No accounts, no logins, no credit card screens.

The catch, of course, is that for the tech to get adopted by the mainstream, you will need way more regulations and safeguards. Maybe KYC on wallets (which means creating accounts/logins), maybe the ability to reverse transactions to reduce fraud.

All of these regulations might introduce enough friction that the final experience doesn't differ much from current legacy systems.

But a built-in browser wallet that makes payments (including micropayments) easier is really needed. It's the only antidote to our current advertising dependent model of the web.

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6. shigaw+Ws[view] [source] 2022-05-19 11:14:56
>>puranj+4m
Dumb question but what's the user experience difference between a browser wallet and saving a credit card in a password manager?
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7. MacsHe+UG[view] [source] 2022-05-19 12:47:17
>>shigaw+Ws
Crypto wallets double as a kid of single sign-on identity. If you have a crypto wallet in a browser add-on, you already have a paudonymous account usable on tens of thousands of crypto enabled web apps. All you have to do is one-click sign-in.

No sign-up flow, no emails, no commitment. You just tap login and you have an account. One more tap and you've paid.

Plus other benefits like effectively free micro-transactions as small as thousands of a penny at a transaction rate in tens of milliseconds, for some chains (e.g. Solana w/Phantom or SolFlare browser extension).

All this adds up to being able to try, pay, assess, and "logout" of any completely novel (to you) service/site faster than a WSJ article page can load.

The effortless of the user experience doesn't translate well to words. Getting use to this frictionless use of compatable web apps is an experience qualitatively similar to browsing the web with an ad blocker. You can't go back. Going back feels broken, messy, slow, and outright aggravating.

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8. lottin+Lc1[view] [source] 2022-05-19 15:20:46
>>MacsHe+UG
What happens when someone steals your key?
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