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>>lxm+(OP)
> Los Angeles and San Diego Unified — the state’s two largest school districts, with some 660,000 students combined — have recently directed teachers to base academic grades on whether students have learned what was expected of them during a course — and not penalize them for behavior, work habits and missed deadlines.

That lesson is going to serve them well in the workplace.

Teach students that they are entitled to bad behavior, bad work habits, and deadlines? Fuck deadlines

The next generation is going to have a hard time competing in the global workplace against cultures that do enforce reasonable consequences for fucking up.

>>gramma+Oh
School really doesn't mimic the workplace very well. For one thing, work doesn't usually give homework! (with some exceptions like the law). Docking students for bad behavior is problematic, because it requires the teacher to be extremely honest, to avoid unequal standards. Late penalties almost certainly impede learning since they cause the give up effect, where students give up on something they can't hope to finish, instead of actually trying. The issue ultimately is that if you want grades to be a measure of student performance, they should actually measure student performance, and not other aspects of what students do in a class.

>>bodhia+wo
> School really doesn't mimic the workplace very well.

That irrelevant.

The point is that in any given relationship, expectations are established and how well an expectation is met greatly determines the outcome.

If a student, employer, son, friend, mate agrees to completing a 1-hour task within a week and they fail to deliver, that's a problem. There are consequences.

The gist of the article is that the student is really the victim and should be pandered to.

That might work for a student or a someone's kid, but any other relationship is going to end badly. Friends, partners and employers get to choose their relationships. If you're irresponsible and disrespectful, they get to chose someone else.

> Late penalties almost certainly impede learning since they cause the give up effect,

You're confusing causation with correlation. Late penalties do not impede learning. Chosing not to learn by not doing the work impedes learning.

If a student isn't mature enough to meet expectations, the underlying cause should be addressed: the student's imaturity, irresponsibiltiy, home environment, learning disablity, lesson plan, whatever...

Removing consquenses for failing, making excuses, and giving the student a victim identity isn't doing the him/her any favors.