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1. baybal+5u[view] [source] 2021-05-24 07:25:38
>>pseudo+(OP)
Current bottom line:

- 1st response to CoVID occurrence was certainly in Wuhan.

- The closest wild strain of CoVID happens in bats living thousand kilometres from Wuhan

- Wuhan had two institutes which, on record, did gain of function experiments on bat coronaviruses

- Beijing purposefully destroyed DNA evidence, and obliterated the team who first sequenced the CoVID genome

- Chinese authorities were scrambling, and suppressing reporting as early as November, seemingly with a very good idea what they are up to.

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2. Jeremy+K81[view] [source] 2021-05-24 13:50:39
>>baybal+5u
This story continues to evolve and it's exciting to watch the new reporting come to light and slowly flesh out the details. The "lab escape hypothesis" was disregarded by many (if not most) media outlets as a conspiracy theory early on.

This feels so much like the Iraq "weapons of mass destruction" fiasco. Any time news outlets are credulously repeating the words of "government officials," you need to seriously devalue the reporting. Reporting isn't just being a mouthpiece for the state, and these outlets fail us when they express such a high degree of certainty before there's any independent verification of the facts.

Of course, everything you describe is still "circumstantial," and it's wise to remain skeptical. However, even if we somehow eventually confirm this was not a lab escape, there's absolutely no excuse for the certainty expressed by the NYT et al in their early reporting (which is true for so much of the other COVID-19 media coverage - the media did a terrible job of expressing uncertainty with very incomplete information throughout the entire affair).

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3. zpeti+zp1[view] [source] 2021-05-24 15:20:18
>>Jeremy+K81
> This feels so much like the Iraq "weapons of mass destruction" fiasco. Any time news outlets are credulously repeating the words of "government officials," you need to seriously devalue the reporting.

Depends what you mean by government officials. Trump was in power and his statements on this were called conspiracy theories. So the media wasn’t exactly taking the government side on this, they were dismissing statements by the government as conspiracy.

Whether right or wrong, it’s extremely embarrassing for the media. They are slowly politicizing themselves into untrustable entities.

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4. gentle+Ks1[view] [source] 2021-05-24 15:35:41
>>zpeti+zp1
Or, they were skeptics of the words of a compulsive serial liar and manipulator. It’s not partisan to stop trusting somebody like that.

Edit: it is factually true to say Trump lied in manipulative ways constantly, and easy to confirm. This is not a partisan statement, it’s a fact that can be checked. Here are 5276 examples: https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

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5. stjohn+2I2[view] [source] 2021-05-24 22:20:58
>>gentle+Ks1
Sorry you're getting downvoted, but you are correct. He literally told thousands of blatant lies and nothing that was coming out of his mouth could be trusted. The collective amnesia of republicans is astonishing. "Trust" in the source is quite important for reporting the facts. Not every reporter has the time to wade through tons of horseshit to find a single nugget of truth.
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