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1. loveis+Oj[view] [source] 2021-04-09 15:24:15
>>todd8+(OP)
Judging by the comments in this thread, it seems a lot of people are still unaware that:

1. Gain of function research primarily uses samples collected from nature, and seeks to stimulate their evolution in as natural a way as possible to learn how viruses evolve in nature. If such viruses were to escape the lab, they would appear "natural"

2. It's not xenophobic for people from the US to suggest the possibility of a lab leak, because the US was itself funding gain of function research on novel coronaviruses in the Wuhan BSL4 lab

3. Lab leaks happen more often than most people realize[1]

[1]https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/3/20/18260669/deadly...

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2. jedueh+I31[view] [source] 2021-04-09 18:53:08
>>loveis+Oj
Hi, I have a PhD in virology focused on emerging viruses, and a few months back I wrote a very lengthy and involved piece full of sources.

And in there, I describe exactly how wrong your point 1 is. And how misguided your point 3 is.

The post also won a "best of r/science 2020" award!

You can find it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/gk6y95/covid19_did...

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3. mister+hd1[view] [source] 2021-04-09 19:40:26
>>jedueh+I31
In what way is point 3 misguided?
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4. jedueh+mw1[view] [source] 2021-04-09 21:17:43
>>mister+hd1
Everyone is citing the evidence of the SARS-CoV-1 leak as reason to believe that viruses escape labs.

But you know what's interesting about that?

We know about the CoV-1 leak because /the chinese scientists told us about it./

They owned up to it and told the world and the biosafety community (the people with degrees in these things) helped china become more standard and respectable and safe.

And now 15 years later, with zero evidence, we're accusing them of covering up the same thing.

Scientists are not their government, and China's government is not a huge fan of it's scientists. Just look at the great leap forward. And how they're treating Shi Zhengli now that she is arguing the virus came from a zoonotic event in the provinces. China's party line no longer agrees, and she's been silenced.

Why would she lie for her government when they don't even agree?

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5. loveis+tA1[view] [source] 2021-04-09 21:41:27
>>jedueh+mw1
>But you know what's interesting about that?

>We know about the CoV-1 leak because /the chinese scientists told us about it./

Sometimes humans tell the truth, sometimes humans don't.

Pointing to one group of people who told the truth, and asserting that means another group must be telling the truth is just silly.

Especially considering the former example was in regards to a small accident relative to potentially the greatest accident in human history.

I know I would be strongly inclined to lie if I was responsible for the accidental death of millions of people.

If a human being was not inclined to lie about their responsibility for greatest accident in human history, why would humans ever lie about any mistake?

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6. jedueh+0C1[view] [source] 2021-04-09 21:53:38
>>loveis+tA1
But at the time when it was important, in both of these leak events, only extremely few people had died. Not millions.

It was far from the worst accident in human history at that point, it looked like nothing and in America lots of people thought it would never affect us at all.

That's when it came up and when Zhengli had her lab searched and checked their freezers etc.

It's also important to think about the other BSL4 labs around the world they sent tons of samples to. If they were hiding SARS-CoV-2, why wouldn't it have slipped into any of these many thousands of inter-lab samples?

Releases aren't all that common but cross-contamination within and between secure sites actually is.

Why has no one found SARS-2 in any of the samples sent out of Wuhan to Australia, Singapore, Canada, or the US?

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