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1. throwa+V4[view] [source] 2021-03-28 19:10:58
>>femfos+(OP)
Creating a throwaway for obvious reasons. I'm not an investor but someone who is in a position to make key decisions about peoples' careers and give advice, and I do have a bit of a trick I use for this.

There was one black female mentee who I noticed was timid in taking credit for her work. I had recently attended a diversity panel where someone in a similar role as me said that in a similar situation, and her advice to her mentee was "Think about what a white man would do" and everyone applaud such an insightful advice. So identifying such an opportunity, I said the exact same thing word for word, basically "I see you're hesitating to take credit for your work. Think about what a white man would do."

Immediately after saying that, I could tell it wasn't taken well, and she asked "what does that mean?" I couldn't come up with an answer for that which wouldn't be taken in a really bad way, so I backpedaled. She later reported me to an administrative person who luckily felt it was too vague to file a serious report about, but told me to watch what I say.

But I do have a solution (my trick). From that point on, I definitely give more subtle advice unless they have passed my test, which is I see how they react to situations where they could give the benefit of the doubt to others in vague situations. Sometimes, I'll bring up a past story about another anonymous person and see if they are outraged and want to get them in trouble. Only the ones who remark that they probably had good intentions, and don't react too strongly, I'll give more candid advice to.

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2. Jabble+ca[view] [source] 2021-03-28 19:37:59
>>throwa+V4
"what does that mean?" I couldn't come up with an answer for that

This seems to fit the definition of cargo cult.

You clearly had good intentions, but you can't go around saying phrases without being able to back them up. This should be familiar to you from technical situations - consider: "prefer composition over inheritance" - reasonable advice, but be prepared to explain yourself, not just parrot it.

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3. BobbyJ+Bb[view] [source] 2021-03-28 19:44:39
>>Jabble+ca
It's contextually a lot different though. In this case, it's not that he didn't have an answer or a means to clarify, it's that, based on her initial reaction, he didn't have one he wasn't sure would dig a deeper hole.

I doubt anyone out there will have a similar visceral reaction to discussing code architecture.

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4. Jabble+wc[view] [source] 2021-03-28 19:49:18
>>BobbyJ+Bb
I suspect anyone who could clarify that remark would have known not to open with it.
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5. BobbyJ+gf[view] [source] 2021-03-28 20:01:19
>>Jabble+wc
I disagree. I can think of many ways to clarify the remark in a manner that I personally wouldn't see anything wrong with. At the same time, I can imagine a person intent on outrage finding a reason to be mad about any one of them. I generally assume that people I'm engaged with professionally aren't looking for opportunities to be mad.
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6. Jabble+Ng[view] [source] 2021-03-28 20:09:43
>>BobbyJ+gf
Why do you not assume that the person in this story is not then?

In what way can someone disagree with you about the offensiveness of something you say, without you labelling them as "intent on outrage"?

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