zlacker

[return to "Climate change: US emissions in 2020 in biggest fall since WWII"]
1. just_s+nm[view] [source] 2021-01-22 20:17:44
>>LinuxB+(OP)
The biggest takeaway here for me is that we collectively achieved something previously considered impossible: by making different behavioral choices, as a species, we achieved the largest cut in CO2 emissions in 75 years.

It's tragic that only the threat of a deadly disease could compel such a change, but perhaps we may find other levers to help us achieve such widespread beneficial changes in the future?

◧◩
2. breakf+7s[view] [source] 2021-01-22 20:51:58
>>just_s+nm
All it does it prove how fruitless the prevention of climate change is.

A total shutdown of the entire world economy on an unprecedented scale still doesn't track enough to prevent climate change.

If that isn't a clear indicator of how severe the situation is then I don't know what else is.

◧◩◪
3. nostra+Ou[view] [source] 2021-01-22 21:08:43
>>breakf+7s
Unpopular prediction: we're going to solve global warming by the 22nd century, but we're going to "solve" it with nuclear winter and the destruction of 80-90% of humanity. Once we're down to a billion people or so and most of what passes for advanced civilization has been destroyed, carbon emissions and warming won't be a problem.
◧◩◪◨
4. hammoc+tv[view] [source] 2021-01-22 21:12:42
>>nostra+Ou
Bill Gates wants to test an artificial nuclear winter... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7350713/Bill...
◧◩◪◨⬒
5. jessau+Sz[view] [source] 2021-01-22 21:45:53
>>hammoc+tv
Albedo modification is the obvious response to the situation. Of course testing should start small, but the idea that 2 kg of material in one location could lead to a runaway deep-freeze earth situation is not plausible. Those global warming enthusiasts who oppose this research seem more interested in political implications than in actually reducing warming.
◧◩◪◨⬒⬓
6. csnove+371[view] [source] 2021-01-23 01:53:23
>>jessau+Sz
> Those global warming enthusiasts who oppose this research seem more interested in political implications than in actually reducing warming.

There are serious and legitimate concerns about albedo modification research which have nothing to do with politics. I don’t think that anyone in the field is concerned that this small-scale experiment will lead to global catastrophe, but it’s a stepping stone to something which could lead to those bad outcomes—and it’s not clear that a small test like this would be able to answer the most important questions that we’d need answered before actually embarking on a global albedo modification programme.

Of the various issues already covered by the Daily Mail story, one thing it doesn’t really talk about is that albedo modification requires a functioning human civilisation capable of injecting aerosols to the atmosphere to exist, without ever stopping, for thousands of years. A single disruption could cause up to 0.7°C of warming in one year[0].

About the only case in which something like this makes sense is if we’ve solved the emissions problem, but a bit too late, so only need a bridge for a few decades while we are actively pulling CO2 from the atmosphere.

If you want to learn more, away from the sensationalism of the Daily Mail, the podcast Brave New Planet had an episode about this last October[1], which is where most of my current knowledge comes from.

[0] https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/4/4/045...

[1] https://www.bravenewplanet.org/episodes/a-radical-approach-c...

[go to top]