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1. mola+uy[view] [source] 2020-09-29 16:05:32
>>rapnie+(OP)
Really? People censoring themselves is the problem? Whenever I take a peek at social feeds I see people saying crazy things, insults, conspiracy theories, hate, etc. Usually I end up the feeling that the larger the audience and concurrency of engagement, the less people censor the them selves, it usually even make them see extra things that normally they won't say.
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2. lightg+yB[view] [source] 2020-09-29 16:18:31
>>mola+uy
> People censoring themselves is the problem?

Yes. For example, very few people in SV can openly say they are going to vote for Trump.

> the larger the audience and concurrency of engagement, the less people censor the them selves

Yes, people don't censor themselves when they are in majority. For example, those who live in SV, and support gay marriage and BLM, they can throw insults without repercussions.

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3. colinm+AF[view] [source] 2020-09-29 16:36:53
>>lightg+yB
If you want respect don't admit to supporting bigotry.
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4. lightg+7J[view] [source] 2020-09-29 16:55:42
>>colinm+AF
Also, not accepting that people consider Trump a better presidental candidate is bigotry exactly, by definition from the dictionary.

The fun fact about the word "bigotry" is that people who use "bigotry" as insults are very often bigots themselves.

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5. colinm+gM[view] [source] 2020-09-29 17:13:22
>>lightg+7J
Cool, let's rephrase. If you want respect don't admit to being prejudiced against the way people are born. Being prejudiced against choices people make is completely fine.
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6. lightg+4N[view] [source] 2020-09-29 17:17:13
>>colinm+gM
> If you want respect

I'm sorry for not expressing clearly. People want freedom more than respect. In particular, freedom to express support of Trump.

> If you want respect don't admit to being prejudiced against the way people are born.

I'm sorry, I don't see a connection between your comment and parent comment.

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7. colinm+vN[view] [source] 2020-09-29 17:19:05
>>lightg+4N
People in sv are absolutely free to express support for Trump.
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8. lightg+8O[view] [source] 2020-09-29 17:21:59
>>colinm+vN
They will quickly lose their jobs.

It is somewhat similar (but to lesser degree of course) to China: there’s no law prohibiting talking about Tiananmen Square, but you better not do it.

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9. colinm+VQ[view] [source] 2020-09-29 17:34:35
>>lightg+8O
Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. I'm as free to call you an idiot and boycott you as you are to say idiotic things. It actually is illegal to talk about tianamen square in china. You'll be arrested.
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10. lightg+JR[view] [source] 2020-09-29 17:39:02
>>colinm+VQ
This catchy phrase is catch 22. Negative consequences of freedom mean there is no freedom.
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11. nobody+iI1[view] [source] 2020-09-29 22:45:06
>>lightg+JR
> This catchy phrase is catch 22. Negative consequences of freedom mean there is no freedom.

That's something of a misnomer. In the case where the government (as in China) will visit consequences upon you for your speech limits freedom.

But others using their speech to express their displeasure with your speech does not.

Do you see how that works? If your peers disagree with you and express that, it's not limiting freedom, it's giving the same freedom to everyone.

I do believe that it's inappropriate (note the word I use here, as it has a specific meaning and implication) to target someone's professional status for a real or perceived disagreement (assuming that those disagreements are not relevant to the target's professional duties).

That doesn't make it illegal, just petty, vindictive and in bad faith. None of which limits anyone's freedom to express themselves.

There's a big difference between legality and social norms. Just because it's legal to do something, doesn't mean it's a good idea.

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