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1. koheri+9e[view] [source] 2020-06-22 19:35:24
>>pseudo+(OP)
This doesn't seem to make sense. By more accurately predicting where crimes will occur, the police departments can reduce the amount of patrols needed.
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2. sudosy+Zh[view] [source] 2020-06-22 19:47:29
>>koheri+9e
Except this is not how it works. We are not accurately predicting where crimes will occur, but maximizing the amounts of arrests.

Indeed, sending a police patrol will only catch the kind of crime that happens in socio-economically disadvantaged communities, which in turn contributes to skewing the data to suggest that more crimes there, which leads to more policing, which leads to more crime, and so on.

Meanwhile, wage theft, over twice the size of all other kinds of theft put together, keeps growing year after year.

Police patrols should be entirely reactive, and not proactive. Proactive policing does not work.

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3. oh_sig+Mj[view] [source] 2020-06-22 19:53:44
>>sudosy+Zh
The 'proactive' is just driving or walking around a neighborhood. It isn't (necessarily) doing things like stop and frisk or just going around accosting random people on the street.
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4. sudosy+tl[view] [source] 2020-06-22 19:59:44
>>oh_sig+Mj
It's not just driving or walking around a neighbourhood, it's doing your best to find the maximum amount of crime. Otherwise, you wouldn't need mathematical models in order to optimize the "efficacity" of the operation.

The vast majority of crime where police should be involved are crimes where the victim can call the police later. For those that don't fit this criteria, either police patrols are already ineffective (targeted assassinations, for example), or the police isn't being called because the victim thinks it will make the situation worse. Which in many cases is true, and I think fixing that problem would be a good step to take.

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5. oh_sig+Gm[view] [source] 2020-06-22 20:03:43
>>sudosy+tl
I guess I don't really understand what is generally wrong with a police officer looking for a crime being committed in public and then stopping it?
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6. kingka+RH[view] [source] 2020-06-22 21:32:24
>>oh_sig+Gm
We create what we look for
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7. DenisM+xP[view] [source] 2020-06-22 22:11:19
>>kingka+RH
Are doctors creating cancer and high cholesterol?
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8. sudosy+Ne1[view] [source] 2020-06-23 01:28:05
>>DenisM+xP
Doctors actually fix cancer and high cholesterol, police simply takes the criminals away but does not fix crime. It's an approach to crime about as sophisticated and effective as blood-letting and amputations - works sometimes, makes everything worse when that's all you use.
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9. DenisM+2i1[view] [source] 2020-06-23 02:06:34
>>sudosy+Ne1
How do you know that removing criminals away does not reduce crime?
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