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>>Xordev+(OP)
Corporations are people. If they don't act ethically, we can't expect people to act ethically.

Ending a contract with an agency that runs concentration camps is good. Better, though, is to not accept any contracts with any government that runs concentration camps.

Small steps are good. Big steps are better.

PS: great fear from all paying customers that run concentration camps that an internet mob could separate them from their code at any time -- sounds like a good policy to me. Not as good as "Don't be evil", but reasonably close.

>>dsr_+Nk
Your choice of language by saying "concentration camps" is unproductively hyperbolic and reminiscent of Nazis killing Jews in WW2. People found to have been here illegally are being kept in detention centers until deportation or trial. Nobody is getting gassed or burned in ovens.

>>TheAda+ym
He is using the correct definition of concentration camp, you are the one in error. Concentration camps have existed outside Nazi Germany. Just because that was the most horrible instance doesn't mean that other instances stopped being "concentration camps" just like how a particularly horrible murder doesn't make a less violent murder into a non-murder.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp

>>Drakim+np
The colloquial definition of the term is different from the technical definition, but they don't even meet the technical definition.

According to your definition, a concentration camp is an "internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment.."

People of certain minority groups aren't being rounded up. Illegal immigrants are being rounded up, regardless of race or nationality.

I'm not saying whether that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that calling them concentration camps is hyperbolic and uproductive.

>>TheAda+wr
Illegal immigrants in the US are most certainly a minority group.

It's not hyperbolic and unproductive, it's the plain truth, just like the Japanese concentration camps during WW2.

>>Drakim+ku
Illegal immigrants are not at all entirely of a single minority group. And even though they are mostly of a single minority group, that fact is incidental to the fact that they are being put in detention facilities, it is not causal.

>>toaste+4f1
What the GP appears to be saying is that undocumented (not "illegal" -- people are not illegal) immigrants as a whole are a minority group. This is obviously true if you just look at the world outside.

>>pmille+Bz1
I was using the term "illegal" as an adjective, not a noun, to describe their immigration status, a simple way to say that they are here illegally.

>>TheAda+nH1
“Undocumented” is the more correct adjective. “Out of status” if you want 3 words to do the job of 1.

>>pmille+AI1
I know that “undocumented” is preferred by people sympathetic to illegal immigrants, but is it actually more correct?

>>toaste+mK1
It depends on how you define "correct," I suppose. If you're using it as a term of art, or you're a right wing think tank, then the correct term is "illegal alien." [0] It does not actually appear in Federal law, however. [1]

The IRS uses the term "undocumented alien," which is kind of a weird, mixed construction, referring to people as "aliens" (which I always find weird, but, okay), but not "illegal." [2]

Other government agencies, and, yes, immigration advocates, use the term "undocumented immigrant," which has the virtue of both being accurate, and not referring to individuals as "illegal," when the thing that's actually illegal is the fact that they are in the country without authorization (the "undocumented" part).

In summary, "illegal alien" as a term of art: fine in my book, just weird. "Undocumented alien": sure, if you're the IRS. But, otherwise, "undocumented immigrant" is the most technically accurate, because it's not the person who is illegal, as the word "illegal" modifying "immigrant" in the phrase would indicate, but their presence in the country that is illegal.

[0]: https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/undocumented...

[1]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/may/09/steve-mccr...

[2]: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/immi...

>>pmille+EV1
Thanks for the response. I'll dig in when I have a bit more time, but this may change the language I use.