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>>Xordev+(OP)
Corporations are people. If they don't act ethically, we can't expect people to act ethically.

Ending a contract with an agency that runs concentration camps is good. Better, though, is to not accept any contracts with any government that runs concentration camps.

Small steps are good. Big steps are better.

PS: great fear from all paying customers that run concentration camps that an internet mob could separate them from their code at any time -- sounds like a good policy to me. Not as good as "Don't be evil", but reasonably close.

>>dsr_+Nk
Your choice of language by saying "concentration camps" is unproductively hyperbolic and reminiscent of Nazis killing Jews in WW2. People found to have been here illegally are being kept in detention centers until deportation or trial. Nobody is getting gassed or burned in ovens.

>>TheAda+ym
He is using the correct definition of concentration camp, you are the one in error. Concentration camps have existed outside Nazi Germany. Just because that was the most horrible instance doesn't mean that other instances stopped being "concentration camps" just like how a particularly horrible murder doesn't make a less violent murder into a non-murder.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp

>>Drakim+np
The colloquial definition of the term is different from the technical definition, but they don't even meet the technical definition.

According to your definition, a concentration camp is an "internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment.."

People of certain minority groups aren't being rounded up. Illegal immigrants are being rounded up, regardless of race or nationality.

I'm not saying whether that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that calling them concentration camps is hyperbolic and uproductive.

>>TheAda+wr
Illegal immigrants in the US are most certainly a minority group.

It's not hyperbolic and unproductive, it's the plain truth, just like the Japanese concentration camps during WW2.

>>Drakim+ku
Criminals are also a minority group that are concentrated into prisons. Is that wrong too?

>>oh_sig+lv
Prisons are similar to concentration camps, with a few differences. Usually you're in prison for a fixed term, with some rules around that, which is distinct from concentration camps. But rampant abuse, so much rape we joke about prison rape, unpaid labour, etc., it certainly looks a lot like a concentration camp.

Yes, it would be wrong if there was not a justified basis for it.

Whether there's a justified basis for interning all people formally labelled as criminals in the USA I'll leave as an exercise, because it's obviously complicated there. So many people are imprisoned in the USA compared with other countries that it seems reasonable to doubt whether it is all justified, or even smart for those who remain outside.

When it comes to interning people who have few choices in life and are doing nothing of significant harm except being somewhere, and in a significant fraction of cases they have been there since birth or near birth, I see no justice-based justification for that.

Immigration detention centres have many of the awful qualities of prison, but the inmates there have not been subject to due process, and do not have a fixed term to serve out. These are qualities that make them more like a concentration camp.

At best, you could say the detention is politically-based to a much greater degree than criminal justice. This is obvious because detention is based on bureaucracy, what mood an official is in when they make a decision, and a person's background which they cannot do anything about, rather than the higher standard of criminal due process based on personal behaviour and trained, scrutinised judges; and because changes of political direction and secondary legislation (i.e. regulations made by beaurocrats, rather than laws) significantly change who is rounded up and released.

So if it's not justified as a prison, and does not have the qualities we associate with justice, and is selecting people based on their background they can do nothing about.... yes, that makes it meet the definition of a concentration camp IMHO.

But we don't call them concentration camps because that's not a good look, due to association with gas chambers and death trains, which to be fair ICE is not known for. We call them detention centres and avoid thinking about what that really means for the people and their families. Which if you think about it, sounds familiar from history...