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1. jennyy+1j[view] [source] 2020-06-15 04:25:24
>>dtagam+(OP)
The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior.

This triggers riots and protests, which require the police to work overtime.

They get paid for causing all these problems, and well paid. Their overtime costs must be tremendous. And who ends up paying? We do.

We should claw back police overtime pay for any protests or riots that are caused by the police themselves. I think that's fair and equitable.

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2. sneak+MQ[view] [source] 2020-06-15 10:35:02
>>jennyy+1j
Additionally, the civil rights suits later brought against them get paid by taxpayers, not the offending officers.

Their abuse is literally publicly subsidized.

Lawsuit settlements for the police committing human rights abuses should come out of the police pension fund.

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3. dragon+AR[view] [source] 2020-06-15 10:42:06
>>sneak+MQ
> Lawsuit settlements for the police committing human rights abuses should come out of the police pension fund.

No, they should come out of taxpayer funds. The principal is responsible for the actions of their agents.

If the public authority doesn't properly screen, train, supervise, and discipline police to protect civil rights, it is their responsibility and the responsibility of the public who chooses that authority.

Absolving the public authority and the public of responsibility just means that there is reduced incentives to address systemic problems.

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4. mindsl+Yf1[view] [source] 2020-06-15 14:06:58
>>dragon+AR
When driving through other jurisdictions with speed traps etc, I certainly do want to blame those taxpayers for enabling their local gang to be attacking me. But if I take a look at the jurisdictions I am party to, I am powerless. Blaming voters is a fallacy of late-stage Democracy.

The deep seated issue is the principle agent problem around elected officials. The police threaten the politicians, who don't want to rock the boat, to get a lopsided contract that makes them virtually immune to any oversight. This is why we're literally at "defund the police" - citizens are finally crying uncle and demanding that their city's entire contract be thrown away and redesigned.

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5. vorpal+vm1[view] [source] 2020-06-15 14:45:01
>>mindsl+Yf1
You've made a common mistake, and that's confusing people on social media for the majority.

Most people don't want to defund their police. Per the latest Monmouth poll, about 60% favor the police (compared to ~11% for congress) and most people see the police as their protectors.

Police don't get a lopsided contract by threatening politicians and that's a grossly inflammatory claim. Contracts are negotiated like any other, and given that most people don't want to spend their time being spit on and attacked, it turns out you get to ask for a fair bit of protection in that contract.

> Blaming voters is a fallacy of late-stage Democracy

Blaming anyone else is a fundamental misunderstanding of Democracy. Everyone pretends to like Democracy until they realize not everyone shares their opinion, and then all of a sudden pull out the insults and attacks on fellow voters.

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6. mindsl+lp1[view] [source] 2020-06-15 15:03:27
>>vorpal+vm1
Police generally have contracts where they have weaseled out of criminal, civil, and even administrative sanctions, allowing them to break the law with impunity. If you don't see this as extreme corruption, then you don't actually believe in the rule of law.

> Per the latest Monmouth poll, about 60% favor the police (compared to ~11% for congress) and most people see the police as their protectors

Unfortunately this instance of corruption is a tough nut to crack. The sheer majority of people will never be victims of the police, just as most people will never be victims of any violent criminal. Hence the focus on video evidence and actually discussing the issue now that it has the spotlight, getting more people to care about these unaccountable criminal gangs calling themselves police. It's called solidarity and the rule of law - caring about what is right even when it does not affect you personally.

>> Blaming voters is a fallacy of late-stage Democracy

> Everyone pretends to like Democracy until they realize not everyone shares their opinion

You just seem to be going on a tangential rant here. I was referring specifically to this tendency to ascribe a democratically-chosen action as the responsibility of everyone who was given a chance to vote. I personally do not hold up Democracy as some sort of ideal, but rather Liberty.

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7. vorpal+is1[view] [source] 2020-06-15 15:20:05
>>mindsl+lp1
> Police generally have contracts where they have weaseled out of criminal, civil, and even administrative sanctions

That's false. Qualified immunity is a result of a supreme court decision and not part of police contracts. The only thing in most contracts is that police officers who are fired get a chance at mediation for firing disputes.

Police officers do get legal protections, the same way you and I get them. You can't release private records of a police officer, you can't sacrifice them publically to appease an angry group, etc etc.

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