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1. reacts+4b[view] [source] 2020-06-11 00:06:46
>>colinp+(OP)
Honestly, I was blind to police racism against blacks. Until I watched this video.

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This is a shocking video:

https://www.wral.com/ace-perry-pulled-over-by-sampson-county...

+ white cop pulls over black driver (North Carolina)

+ refuses to tell him why he was stopped until he shows ID

+ asks driver questions about company name on his tee-shirt

+ expresses incredulity when driver says he works at the company

+ asks driver other irrelevant personal questions.

+ tells driver he was stopped for driving UNDER THE SPEED LIMIT (doing 65 in a 70)

+ asks driver: "wouldn't you find it suspicious if someone were doing 65 in a 70?"

+ gives driver a WRITTEN WARNING for driving 65 in a 70.

+ brushes off driver's questions saying "I've got stuff to do"

+ Feb 2020

Googling about the case `"Ace Perry" Sampson` it seems no action was taken against the officer. If anyone has an "in" with the ACLU (or similar), the police dept. could use some publicity.

(Strange how some cases don't get the attention they deserve.)

(Note: in response to a now apparently deleted comment: I'm aware that some roads have minimum speed limits. I remember once seeing on a highway: max75 min40. However, 65 in a 70 is just prudence.)

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2. throwa+Ug[view] [source] 2020-06-11 00:52:03
>>reacts+4b
I don’t know if it’s fair to call the cop here a racist, it’s possible sure, but it’s likely the officer didn’t know the guys race before pulling him over.

Police, especially in small towns, are notorious for targeting out of towners (the way a racist cop might target a race they don’t like).

Here you have to understand the training/experience of highway patrol. Here we have a rental and it was traveling below the speed limit...a highway cop might immediately think drug trafficking (again not knowing the race, something you probably never thought without the training and experience), And being under the speed limit gives him the right to make the stop (but what he really wants to do is check up on his suspicion). This would explain the questions about the job and where the driver was going to/coming from.

Maybe I missed something but there are hundreds of thousands of stops everyday, many like this one are ridiculous...I’m not sure how much attention this really deserves nor if the officer (who shouldn’t have made the stop to begin with) deserves to be labeled a racist (especially because now a days that is tantamount to being fired and losing your livelihood as well as all the targeting him and his family would endure).

Maybe a potential policing solution would be something akin to jury duty where citizens are selected to shadow officers on every shift, maybe require a mismatch Of the officer/citizen pairing Based on race/sex.

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3. krrrh+zw[view] [source] 2020-06-11 03:39:59
>>throwa+Ug
There is a specific county in WA that was somewhat notorious for pulling over cars with BC plates. Before I knew to be careful in that area I got a few speeding tickets in the same spot, once on the way to Seattle and also the drive back a few days later. I met many people with similar stories. I probably was speeding slightly In each case, but no more than the other cars on the I5. Both stops required me to get out of the car and answer a ridiculous series of questions. Few people could afford the time off to attend court and contest the ticket, or even worse to have a warrant issued, so the county collected a decent amount of cash.

It was harassment and country-of-residence profiling (driving while Canadian, though admittedly it was also a major corridor for pot smuggling at the time). Crooked police cultures can set in for all sorts of reasons.

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4. mustst+CA[view] [source] 2020-06-11 04:39:03
>>krrrh+zw
In my experience WA and OR police make up their budgets with traffic tickets, especially from out of state drivers because those generally won't be motivated to fight in court. You will find yourself targeted especially in touristy areas ( on the OR coast for example).

Additionally, all around MSFT campuses in the old days there'd be cops waiting to catch exiting employees going 36 in a 30 (exactly 5+ over) at the end of the month to fill their quota.

There used to be a host of lawyers on the Eastside who specialized in getting rid of traffic tickets for MSFT employees on technicalities. It was cheaper than having your insurance jacked up.

I got a traffic ticket every 6 months or so in WA (all of them for 6 miles above in a residential, because I drove like an old man even when I was young). Since moving to CA, in almost two decades I've gotten exactly one for rolling a stop sign. My driving habits haven't changed.

All that to say traffic enforcement is a relied-upon income stream for some places in the US.

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5. dkn775+2a1[view] [source] 2020-06-11 10:55:43
>>mustst+CA
If anyone is ever in the situation where they get a ticket every 6months, please buy a good radar detector. Your increased situational awareness will increase, and you'll usually be able to spot a cop.

Throw in waze and you're in a situation where you can basically cruise at 90 for a long distance vs. 75. Escort or V1

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6. mustst+tw1[view] [source] 2020-06-11 13:49:48
>>dkn775+2a1
IIRC radar detectors were illegal in Washington in those days (for obvious reasons). Not sure if they are still.

For these kinds of stops, where they were waiting on side roads for you drive by, a radar detector might not even help much ?

I did have friends with detectors for highway driving, so your suggestion is solid. I wish cars had them as options like leather seats :-)

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7. dkn775+GS4[view] [source] 2020-06-12 17:47:59
>>mustst+tw1
If they wait on the side of the road for you to drive by, while they may see you speeding, they usually have to have an official speed in order to serve a ticket - they may pull you over however. The main risk is LIDAR guns, however they must always be still and usually window has to be down (ruling out rainy days, cold days, etc. usually). They may also use "instant on" Ka Band, but in general they will key it up and you'll get the alert. I have indeed been pulled over by a cop who was sitting still while I sped by, but they will typically pull out and come up on you while keying up the radar, at that point you will be alerted and usually slow down before they can get a speed.
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