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1. Shivet+yh[view] [source] 2020-06-02 17:18:51
>>miles+(OP)
The equipment issue isn't going to solve anything, this is just lip service to the real problem. Police Unions have effectively created a system by which officers are nearly immune from prosecution and even if successfully prosecuted their record cannot travel with them in many cases.

Now one fix that removing some of the equipment will do will reduce the amount of psychological impact it has on those wielding it, as in reduce the Rambo effect. The idea of attaching military style equipment to the current problems is only for political purposes, they needed to blame Trump for the violence.

However in the end, there are few alternatives to fixing the police and their application and misapplication of force

1) Restrict conditions that can be placed in union negotiated contracts regarding officer behavior, culpability, and indemnification.

2) If not 1) then make it illegal for the unions to exist with regards to any public servant who is armed

3) civilian oversight boards that are veto proof against the police they monitor. Not only would they review incidents which are questionable they would have to involved in any use of concentrated force to include no knock warrants; something which should be illegal except in the most incredible cases.

4) holding elected and appointed officials of the localities, city, county, or state, accountable for the harm caused by their police forces.

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2. sandwo+Jt[view] [source] 2020-06-02 18:23:39
>>Shivet+yh
5) Change the uniforms.

Dress for the job you want. If they all dress like storm troopers some of them will act like storm troopers.

NY state patrol uniform: Grey with purple ties. https://northcountrynow.com/sites/default/files/images/Zone2...

NYPD (new york city) police: Black on black with black ties. https://media.timeout.com/images/103899055/image.jpg

It seems meaningless, but having interacted with a few police agencies I have noticed a trend. They cops that show up for meetings in head-to-toe black tend to be more aggressive. They try to assert themselves in every meeting, which is entertaining as we are the military. They cannot win the "who has the bigger gun" thing. The cops that come in oldschool blue shirts and ties are much easier to work with.

(Fyi, if those two NYPD officers in the pic were in the military they would get a talking to about attitude. Hands in pockets. Chewing. Crossed arms. In public? Have some respect for your uniform.)

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3. chriss+jQ[view] [source] 2020-06-02 19:58:26
>>sandwo+Jt
It's be great if the police in the US had a more consistent uniform. If I go from one town to another in the US the police could look completely different. How are you supposed to be able to tell a police officer from a private security guard there?
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4. 112358+nb1[view] [source] 2020-06-02 22:06:50
>>chriss+jQ
They generally do have consistent uniforms (dark, gray and tan solids with a badge and utility belt.) The vehicle wraps vary more.
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5. chriss+pf1[view] [source] 2020-06-02 22:28:20
>>112358+nb1
Not sure if you're being sarcastic?

If not do a Google image search for 'american police officer' - almost every image has a different uniform colour, cut, insignia in it.

Dark blue, light blue, white, brown, black, grey, purple, yellow, green. It's every colour under the sun!

Two police officers:

https://static.trendscatchers.io/uploads/2019/01/bear34-uk.j...

https://writersforensicsblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/chi...

I think there's almost literally nothing consistent between these two uniforms (badge?)

> with a badge and utility belt

That's also what mall security guards wear in the US though.

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6. 112358+ri1[view] [source] 2020-06-02 22:44:36
>>chriss+pf1
The question whether I’m being sarcastic is unfortunate. Please assume good faith.

I’ll give you the green. That is unusual. It might be fair to add green to the list for some state trooper uniforms and park police uniforms.

I apologize if you’ve spent significant time in the US. I’m assuming you haven’t if significant variation in police uniform seems like it would commonly come up. The colors I mentioned are typical for city, county and state police. There are some variations, e.g., I said dark which could be black or a dark blue. To most people, the difference does not cause them to read the situation differently. When I review the uniforms of the 40-50 policing bodies with which I’m most familiar, I don’t see much deviation.

Security guards do try to mimic police uniforms as much as they can get away with, and I think that is dangerous. At minimum they should be forbidden from wearing a badge that looks like a police badge, and they should not be allowed to wear a hat that looks like a police hat. A security guard with a baseball hat, no badge, and their firm printed on their uniform is not easily mistaken for police.

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