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>>oftenw+(OP)
Could we please stop calling “protesters” all the people looting jewelry stores, Target, Nike, etc? These are not protesters, these are looters. Police should use any means at their disposal to protect lives and property from looters and rioters.

>>lsh123+gf
Could we please not waste a second of thought on the relatively minor issue of broken store windows until we sort the issue of cops indiscriminately killing black people?

If you care so much, how about petition your local police force to dump their tear gas at the range and stop firing on peaceful protesters, turning a lot of sitting people into a riot.

>>komali+Pf
I care about both. Two wrongs are two wrongs.

>>bluGil+rg
But hopefully you care about one much, much more than the other. They are not comparable in terms of needing discussion at this moment in history.

(Edit: In the event that you honestly don't know which one is the more important topic, right now or pretty much any other time - police frequently murdering black people or some store windows getting smashed and merch stolen - it's the police murdering black people.)

>>jaas+xh
I can't actually tell which one you're trying to say is more important right now. The case for "riots are the bigger problem right now" being that there is a whole lot more rioting and looting happening right now than there usually is, whereas the amount of police violence is currently significantly below the typical level (as a result of the coronavirus and everyone staying inside, but still).

>>Anthon+Xi
11,000 claims of abuse in the last 3 days just in seattle is low?

>>silver+Ek
You can't retroactively justify a riot based on police conflicts with rioters. It violates causality.

>>Anthon+Tm
But as the article says - why were there riots at all? Because the cops were firing on peaceful protesters!

Evidence abounds.

They committed police brutality, at the protests against police brutality. It genuinely boggles the mind.

>>komali+ro
The premise "many assholes are cops" doesn't need a lot of new evidence. There is more than enough existing evidence.

But what do you honestly expect riots to lead to? Concessions? Or loss of the moral high ground and even more riot gear and tear gas and escalation?

It's just handing the cops a free pass to justify arresting you. And not just arresting you, but charging you with something that could actually stick. Its hard to advocate policy when you're serving a decade in prison for arson and conspiracy.