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1. kajumi+5o[view] [source] 2020-06-01 17:09:57
>>mwseib+(OP)
"I’ve heard some suggest that the recurrent problem of racial bias in our criminal justice system proves that only protests and direct action can bring about change, and that voting and participation in electoral politics is a waste of time. I couldn’t disagree more. The point of protest is to raise public awareness... But eventually, aspirations have to be translated into specific laws and institutional practices — and in a democracy, that only happens when we elect government officials who are responsive to our demands."

Laws are just a consequence of an actual cultural change, and can only succeed (and not precede) the conversion of hearts and minds. Voting and democracy should not become a device to placate the dissatisfied masses into silence, make them lineup for ballot, to choose a lesser evil who, in most likelihood, will turn out to be a egotistical power-seeker. We shouldn't conflate voting with "will of the people."

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2. austin+ru[view] [source] 2020-06-01 17:40:00
>>kajumi+5o
> Voting and democracy should not become a device to placate the dissatisfied masses into silence, make them lineup for ballot, to choose a lesser evil who, in most likelihood, will turn out to be a egotistical power-seeker.

What else should you expect when people are limited to only two political parties? It could be worse with only one political party.

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3. Press2+Yx[view] [source] 2020-06-01 17:55:08
>>austin+ru
I think the real problem is that those two political parties represent factions of the population with incompatible values.

We don't need more political parties, we need solutions to manage the incompatibility.

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4. Consul+ly[view] [source] 2020-06-01 17:56:41
>>Press2+Yx
There was nothing incompatible about our values regarding what we saw in that video. The idea that there was a political divide about this incident is a myth. Even the openly racist people I know were saying it was fucked up.
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5. rayine+6g1[view] [source] 2020-06-01 21:38:34
>>Consul+ly
Yes, but the immediate aftermath of that showed deep disagreement about “what to do about that problem.” Leftists want to dismantle the “systems of oppression” they perceive produces that result. Libertarians want to get rid of qualified immunity and police unions. Conservatives are taken aback by the rioting and violence and for them the immediate need maintaining social order has overtaken the more long term desire to correct these abuses.
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6. syshum+Jr1[view] [source] 2020-06-01 22:45:24
>>rayine+6g1
As normal, libertarians have the correct and rational solution to the problem :)
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7. rayine+sw1[view] [source] 2020-06-01 23:21:33
>>syshum+Jr1
I think the libertarians are basically right in this instance. Apart from systemic racism (which I believe is a very real thing, but an abstract and not directly unactionable one), I see two problems:

1) The people with the power over the police have almost no contact with the people being policed. Neighborhood schooling reinforces that problem. It ensures that ability to afford housing segregates black people from white people. (Note: it’s not a question of funding. Here in DC, most of the shiny new LEED Gold schools are 99% black. Therefore, white parents won’t send their kids there, notwithstanding the gleaming facilities and lower housing prices in the surrounding area.) School choice gives black people the power to create integrated schools, instead of waiting for statistically wealthier whites/Asians to get woke enough to want to do it. I think people would be much more sensitive to policing issues if they didn’t just hear about these things a couple of times a year on the news, but were faced with people in their PTA suffering the consequences of police brutality. I would add that, unsurprisingly, a decisive majority of black people support school choice.

2) With notion of black people being “the other” rooted since childhood, qualified immunity and police unions eliminate the near term, immediate consequences of acting on those instincts.

The two things that make people think before they act are empathy and self preservation. The libertarian approach is a double-barreled solution that could hit both.

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8. harryh+Iy1[view] [source] 2020-06-01 23:37:41
>>rayine+sw1
I think that school choice can certainly help but there are limits. District 1 in NYC has a form of school choice but segregation persists and is even driven by minorities in some ways. This article is really interesting:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/nyregion/a-manhattan-dist...

It touches on two NYC schools that share a building (The Earth School & PS64) but have remarkably different racial and socioeconomic makeups. I found it fascinating after touring Earth School earlier this year.

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