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1. remote+u5[view] [source] 2020-05-31 22:52:45
>>lpolov+(OP)
They need to double the pay for cops and remove their protections like qualified immunity and the right to fire if they feel threatened. This is the only way we get higher quality cops in the system, we incentivize better people to join with money. Maybe once we have a critical mass of great cops we will need less cops overall.

All of these extra costs associated with overtime etc because of these riots and looting are a direct result of employing shitty cops and completely avoidable. The costs should be taken directly from the pension funds of cops as far as I’m concerned, cities should not bear the costs of overtime because of riots caused by cops killing people.

If we had a critical mass of good cops, we likely would need less overtime overall because the relationship would be better between law enforcement and citizens, especially minorities.

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2. asjw+x9[view] [source] 2020-05-31 23:20:20
>>remote+u5
Policemen salaries are already very, very good.

Meanwhile fast food employees on minimum wage get fired for much, much, much, much less.

I think the problem lays elsewhere.

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3. Dangit+Gj[view] [source] 2020-06-01 00:52:05
>>asjw+x9
Do you consider "below median in all 50 states" to be "very, very good"?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23374398

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4. chines+6r1[view] [source] 2020-06-01 14:32:48
>>Dangit+Gj
I do, also the median is highly skewed in US

Those salaries are also in line with the average salary.

Which is very very good in US, compared to the rest of the World.

For comparison, in Italy a policeman earns on average 60% of the lowest salary you posted.

it is supposed to be a working class job, with good men doing it, not a "professional highly paid killer's job".

p.s.: 50% of Americans earn less, 30% earn much less, than that.

So yeah, it's good, especially for being one of the worst police force in the western World.

Victims of police shootings in US 2019: 1.004

Victims of police shootings in Europe 2019: 60 (including Switzerland, that's never been EU - zero kills - and UK which is not in EU anymore - 3 kills -). But let's round it to one hundred, still an order of magnitude less, in the face of a comparable population size.

If I was the US government I would expect a better job from them, before paying them more.

p.p.s.

To be even more precise:

Total Line of Duty Deaths 2019: 147

Including 24 9/11 related cancer, 22 automobile crashes and 19 heart attacks.

Only 48 died because of a gunfire, so for every cop who died in a gunfire, they killed 21 people.

It looks scary to me, I don't know what do you think about it.

I consider the police in my country (Italy) to be quite brutal, but we had only 5 officers killed in 2019 and 3 people shot dead by the police.

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