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1. remote+u5[view] [source] 2020-05-31 22:52:45
>>lpolov+(OP)
They need to double the pay for cops and remove their protections like qualified immunity and the right to fire if they feel threatened. This is the only way we get higher quality cops in the system, we incentivize better people to join with money. Maybe once we have a critical mass of great cops we will need less cops overall.

All of these extra costs associated with overtime etc because of these riots and looting are a direct result of employing shitty cops and completely avoidable. The costs should be taken directly from the pension funds of cops as far as I’m concerned, cities should not bear the costs of overtime because of riots caused by cops killing people.

If we had a critical mass of good cops, we likely would need less overtime overall because the relationship would be better between law enforcement and citizens, especially minorities.

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2. greedo+78[view] [source] 2020-05-31 23:10:25
>>remote+u5
My neighbor is a Sargent in the local PD. Town of 300K. He made $140K last year ($40K of it OT). I think the notion that police are underpaid is not accurate, at least here.
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3. Consul+Xf[view] [source] 2020-06-01 00:13:12
>>greedo+78
How about lawsuits against the police for bad behavior get paid out of their pension fund, instead of by the taxpayer?
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4. crafti+Vg[view] [source] 2020-06-01 00:22:22
>>Consul+Xf
I REALLY like this. Take it out of the pool of pensions for all cops in that department. Maybe they'll start to police themselves a little.
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5. toomuc+nh[view] [source] 2020-06-01 00:26:51
>>crafti+Vg
The problem with that is that impacts those who may have no influence on the situation (retirees receiving benefits from the pension plan).

Alternatively, you could require insurance, similar to medical malpractice insurance, that pays out for law enforcement malfeasance. If you’re uninsurable due to your actions (egregious and/or chronic), you’re no longer a cop. The cost to your colleagues (premiums) also goes up because of your behavior.

This takes the financial burden off taxpayers, but still uses economic incentives to encourage the behavior we expect from public servants.

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6. _bxg1+Oi[view] [source] 2020-06-01 00:41:39
>>toomuc+nh
> that impacts those who may have no influence on the situation

It puts a strong incentive on those to take responsibility for their coworkers. To cultivate a culture of integrity, through interactions, through hiring and firing, through setting an example for those you lead. Cops love to talk about having each other's backs; let's see them put those words into action where it counts.

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7. toomuc+9j[view] [source] 2020-06-01 00:45:38
>>_bxg1+Oi
Retirees are not the coworkers, they are already out of the system. You’re shifting risk from current employees to past employees unless you pursue an insurance model, which is intended to do precisely what you describe: pool and price risk, both individually and collectively, among active law enforcement.
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8. _bxg1+2k[view] [source] 2020-06-01 00:56:14
>>toomuc+9j
Past employees likely worked alongside current employees. They certainly placed the group's culture on its trajectory. They have a leg in the game.
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