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1. Negati+Q7[view] [source] 2020-04-17 16:49:04
>>claude+(OP)
The treatment of warehouse workers and of people with different non office jobs is a strong reason why I will never work at a place like Amazon or Walmart.

Glad to see some people sticking up for each other in these times especially.

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2. txcwpa+Gc[view] [source] 2020-04-17 17:15:00
>>Negati+Q7
Amazon warehouse workers get $17/hr starting wage (and a full 2x ($34/hr!!) overtime), with no experience/education needed and almost no barrier to getting the job (except physical capability to lift a box), as well as the best health insurance I've ever heard of entry-level manual laborers getting, as well as education budgets to be used on any higher level education they want.

Obviously warehouse work isn't glamorous and they are under a lot of pressure and there's nothing wrong with increased scrutiny on how they are treated, but it's also getting exhausting when people act like Amazon FC workers are treated like slaves.

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3. deeble+Nj[view] [source] 2020-04-17 18:03:18
>>txcwpa+Gc
Their workers are treated like robots, not slaves.

And the "good wages for low qualifications" argument is equally exhausting. Money shouldn't be some universal justification for overlooking poor workplace conditions and unethical treatment of human beings.

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4. fbonet+nm[view] [source] 2020-04-17 18:22:50
>>deeble+Nj
Adults are capable of deciding risk/reward factors when selecting a job. There are many jobs that are well known for being grueling, and yet people still sign up to take those jobs because they value the compensation more than other considerations.
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5. Barrin+yx[view] [source] 2020-04-17 19:31:50
>>fbonet+nm
In many regions Amazon and other large retailers with similar conditions are some of the very few employers left to even offer a decent income, to the point where local governments are groveling in front of these companies.

The classism of the managerial tech class is always on pure display in these discussions, because contrary to developers who can pick and choose their workplace in some free competitive market, unqualified blue collar workers are often more or less forced to work under these conditions if they even want healthcare or be able to send their kids to a decent school.

If healthcare and education was free like it is in other developed countries and not employer bound you could make the argument that they're free to work another job instead. In the US it's a facetious point.

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6. maland+UA[view] [source] 2020-04-17 19:57:49
>>Barrin+yx
> In many regions

Then move. It's not hard. I've moved for better work five times in my life with nothing but what fit in two suitcases four of those five times. This includes moving from one country to another twice. In two of these five cases I knew nobody where I was moving to, In one I knew exactly one person and in two I knew just a single family. Both my parents did the same when they came to the US. They came alone and knew nobody in the US when they moved here.

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7. Barrin+UC[view] [source] 2020-04-17 20:12:30
>>maland+UA
Moving in the US virtually provides no wage premium for non-college educated people any longer. This is largely the consequence of breakdown of what would be considered 'good jobs', over the last twenty to thirty years.

"As the geographical pattern of work has shifted, so has that of wages. Economists have long acknowledged the existence of an urban wage premium: workers in more densely populated places earn more, in part because of the productivity benefits of crowding together that nurture urban growth in the first place. This pay premium used to hold across the range of skills. In 1970 workers without any college education could expect to get a boost to their earnings when they moved to a big city, just as better-educated workers did (see chart). Since then the urban wage advantage for well-educated workers has become more pronounced, even as that for less-educated workers has all but disappeared.

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Most jobs in the first two of these categories are located in cities, open mainly to holders of college degrees and decently paid (frontier work is particularly lucrative). Only the last-mile jobs are occupied disproportionately by workers without a college education. They are better than nothing, but only just. Both wages and the quality of such jobs are typically low, which is just as well, since they are unlikely to avoid the creeping tide of automation for very long."

Bifucration of the economy, automation and the shift towards ever increasing knowledge sector and endemic housing shortages have largely destroyed the benefits of moving towards economic clusters for uneducated workers. This is not a solution in this day and age, it's a romanticised fiction. It may have worked for mom and pop who came to the US with nothing else but their clothes, but this is history. The world today is a different one, and it has largely left this segment of the population behind.

https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2019/01/10/t...

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