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1. charli+Cf[view] [source] 2019-07-16 14:40:08
>>tech-h+(OP)
I don't really understand why it's surprising to anyone that they would face "internal retaliation" after exposing their employer as evil and boycott worthy to the entire world. By publicizing it to the degree that they did and attaching their name to it, they were putting their interests over the company. If my company started doing business practices that I didn't approve of, I would try my hardest to change the direction from the inside out or I would leave and then criticize. I don't understand the desire to stay with a company and accept paychecks while simultaneously publicly denouncing and leading protests against them.
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2. KirinD+zh[view] [source] 2019-07-16 14:51:11
>>charli+Cf
It's literally illegal. There are laws against retaliation against whistleblowers. That is why it is surprising.

> I don't understand the desire to stay with a company and accept paychecks while simultaneously publicly denouncing and leading protests against them.

Because you don't want to see the thing you worked so hard to build misused to build killer robots and "war minds"? Seems reasonable to me. Google's got a different mission and sometimes the leadership forgets it, and needs to be reminded.

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3. Merril+3j[view] [source] 2019-07-16 15:00:46
>>KirinD+zh
What did she do that is protected under the various whistleblower protection laws? https://www.whistleblowers.gov/sites/wb/files/2019-06/whistl...

I don't think that objecting to your company's AI work for DoD or plans to comply with Chinese internet search regulations fall under any of them.

What did the "Open Research Group" at Google actually build?

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4. KirinD+on[view] [source] 2019-07-16 15:27:16
>>Merril+3j
> What did the "Open Research Group" at Google actually build?

Have you made any effort to investigate who Meredith Whittaker is on your own?

Her work on AI ethics was much appreciated and celebrated precisely because she was a distinguished contributor. The cultural aversion to building weapons is not novel thing in that culture.

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5. Merril+BH[view] [source] 2019-07-16 17:41:56
>>KirinD+on
Yes, I googled Meredith Whittaker before commenting. She joined Google in 2006 after getting a bachelor's degree from Berkeley, apparently in literature and psychoanalytic theory. By 2012 she appears to have been a program manager in initiatives regarding internet measurements. So far I haven't found any references to products or reports from the Open Research Group, which she appears to have founded sometime prior to the 2016 White House conference where she met the other co-founder of the AI Now Institute at NYU.

Typically when you see someone engaged in "technology ethics" their professional career is based on limiting or stopping the technology, rather than building or advancing the technology. See, for example, stem cell ethics. Companies don't typically set up adversarial organizations within themselves. A more usual approach is to set up temporary "red teams" to address specific issues.

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6. skybri+tL[view] [source] 2019-07-16 18:09:51
>>Merril+BH
I only know a little about it, but it seems like financial companies commonly have a permanent compliance department?

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/compliancedepartment.as...

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7. Merril+QR[view] [source] 2019-07-16 18:54:39
>>skybri+tL
This is true, but the function of the compliance department is to ensure that the company operates within the boundaries set by law and regulation. They typically operate with the authority and access to top management. They would report incidents of non-compliance to management and much more rarely to a regulator, very rarely to the media. If members of the compliance department report to the regulators or public they are covered by the relevant whistleblower statutes. I can't recall members of the compliance department organizing other employees to demonstrate.

Another organization is the quality control department of a manufacturer. They also tend to report independently to top management, and they function similarly.

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