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>>tech-h+(OP)
I thought this story had already been reported a month ago. But no, I was wrong, that was the other organizer of the Google Protests, Claire Stapleton:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/07/google-wa...

So to clarify, both of the female Google employees who lead/organized the protests have now left because they say they faced retaliation. That looks very bad for Google.

>>Admira+md
What retaliation have they faced from Google exactly?

>>dmix+Zd
From this article:

> In an email to colleagues, Whittaker said her Google manager told her to "abandon [her] work on AI ethics" and blocked a request to transfer internally.

From the aforelinked Guardian article:

> In the letters, Stapleton said that two months after the walkout, she was demoted and “told to go on medical leave” despite not being sick. The demotion was reversed after she hired a lawyer, she said.

>>jakela+ke
The manager feedback was posted in an internal mailing list.

It said no such thing. manager asked her to focus on her day to day job. Her ai ethics work was not aligned to the job she was hired for.

>>cobook+ug
This is not correct. Her day to day work is/was in the AI bias and ethics space, even within google.

>>joshua+AB
Why do you think so? Do you have a source of any of her supervisors saying that?

>>xyzzyz+sH
Not sure why the burden of proof would be higher for this claim than the preceding one.

>>jakela+iM
Before I left Google, I looked her up, and none of her ladder, none of her supervisors, none of the other reportees of her immediate supervisor etc. had anything to do with AI ethics. She was originally hired as a Program Manager on Google Docs. In this light, I view your statement as requiring some backing.

>>xyzzyz+fN
So provide some evidence. I could easily say I worked for XYZ and say the same thing you have.

I worked for the White House as Press Secretary and got an email from Trump drunkenly claiming he ran someone over.

I worked as senior advisor to the Shadow Health Secretary in 2020 and helped leak internal communiques covering numerous malpractice suites.

Blah blah blah. It's all words until you show evidence. It's hypocritical to demand evidence from someone else without showing your own. If you don't have any to show, then that's your problem, not theirs.