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1. jankot+62[view] [source] 2018-02-15 09:09:17
>>andren+(OP)
From my experience location dependence is the greatest obstacle for women to join high earning STEM jobs. With paygap women find it more difficult to live in expensive cities. Also remote work allows more life balance for care givers (who are mostly women).

It should be seen as sexism, if company does not offer remote jobs.

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2. OscarC+t3[view] [source] 2018-02-15 09:34:34
>>jankot+62
Your first two sentences seem like a circular argument. Women can't get the high paying jobs because they don't live in the right places, they can't live in the right places because they can't get the high paying jobs.
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3. jankot+e4[view] [source] 2018-02-15 09:48:52
>>OscarC+t3
Not really. If woman gets high paying job, she makes less money for the same work.

Also women have more expenses than men (ping tax, daycare...). Big cities are unaffordable even at the same salary.

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4. gambit+z4[view] [source] 2018-02-15 09:57:21
>>jankot+e4
>>Also women have more expenses than men (ping tax, daycare...).

What's ping tax?

How is daycare more expensive for women? Surely, a man raising a child on their own will pay exactly the same amount of money for daycare? In a normal case, where partners raise children together, they surely pay for daycare from a shared budget, not just from the woman's salary(that would be just bizarre).

>> If woman gets high paying job, she makes less money for the same work.

The counter argument to this is that if this was true, companies would only hire women, since apparently they do the same work for less money!

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5. jankot+65[view] [source] 2018-02-15 10:05:46
>>gambit+z4
> What's ping tax?

Google that...

> How is daycare more expensive for women? Surely, a man raising a child on their own will pay exactly the same amount

Most primary care givers are women. Women are hurt by that more.

> In a normal case

Single mother is normal case. Look at stats and trends.

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6. gambit+K5[view] [source] 2018-02-15 10:15:14
>>jankot+65
>>Single mother is normal case. Look at stats and trends.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-192...

"The Majority of Children Live With Two Parents, Census Bureau Reports"

Maybe I should have said "usual" not "normal" - being a single mother is a normal thing. But so is being a single dad. Claiming that women are somehow worse off because they spend more on childcare is completely bizarre.

>>Google that...

Or you could just tell me - I googled it and there's absolutely nothing that relates to women, several pages of results on google are just taking about filing my taxes with HMRC when I search for ping tax.

>>Most primary care givers are women. Women are hurt by that more.

And? What's the argument here? You were saying that women are paid less for the same work(something which you completely ignored in my reply) and that they have more expenses than men(I would say a subset of people who are raising children on their own have more expenses than people who don't. They don't have more expenses because they are women, they have more expenses because of the choices they made).

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7. jankot+t6[view] [source] 2018-02-15 10:28:30
>>gambit+K5
I thing we can agree that raising kids in SF is very expensive, and that there are more single moms than single fathers.

> women are paid less for the same work

Gender pay gap is generally accepted fact.

> more expenses because they are women, they have more expenses because of the choices they made)

Not sure I understand. Family is not really a choice. And choice/not choice is irrelevant in argument. Goal is to get more women into STEM, one can not forbid people to have a children.

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