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1. cbcowa+F4[view] [source] 2018-01-16 17:40:36
>>stable+(OP)
Hi! I'm the creator of Leap. Glad to answer questions here.
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2. probab+Q9[view] [source] 2018-01-16 18:07:19
>>cbcowa+F4
I'll go straight to the difficult questions:

1. I thought gender-based discrimination was illegal. How is Leap not illegal?

2. One of the main objections of "gentleman's clubs" was that their (male) members had access to important networking contacts, putting women in unequal foot in an unfair way when it came to businesses. Wouldn't Leap be unfair in the same way?

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3. rev_bi+ic[view] [source] 2018-01-16 18:22:02
>>probab+Q9
>Wouldn't Leap be unfair in the same way?

This assumption completely disregards the measurable advantage men have in the tech community. If you have identical programs, one for a historically disenfranchised group, and one for the group that's been in power for decades, only one of those programs is shitty.

edit: "Advantage" was a poor choice of words, but since it's been quoted in replies I'll leave it. I meant something more like "given the gender disparities in the tech community."

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4. fvdess+Pc[view] [source] 2018-01-16 18:24:26
>>rev_bi+ic
> The measurable advantage men have in the tech community

What is that advantage and how is it measured ?

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5. rev_bi+sh[view] [source] 2018-01-16 18:47:41
>>fvdess+Pc
As I noted above, "advantage" was the wrong word, my apologies. There's tons of information out there about the disproportionate number of men working in tech, to say nothing of the salary discrepancies that cause so much drama here.

At the end of the day, women say they feel that they feel isolated by an industry that is overwhelmingly male, and that being able to connect with other women and discuss their experiences is a valuable way to stay in a career that they might otherwise bail on. I'm inclined to believe them.

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6. fvdess+Pr[view] [source] 2018-01-16 19:40:21
>>rev_bi+sh
> At the end of the day, women say they feel that they feel isolated by an industry that is overwhelmingly male.

I would like to offer another point of view; A lot of the males who ended up in that industry are, to be blunt, social rejects. They were not the popular kids in high school, but those guys who were playing magic in the corner. Being a male in IT is a big stigma in the outside world. Nerd and Geek are still insults. There are entire sitcoms (IT Guys, Big Bang Theory) designed to laugh at them. Many dating website have the option to filter out men working in IT. I usually hide the fact that I work in IT and have found it very beneficial.

Now that there's money and power involved, things are changing a bit. But I still feel that a large reason that the IT community is like it is because it was simply excluded from society at large for a long time and still is in a way.

I think that people coming now and turning the table around with such righteousness is a bit insensitive. How would you feel about being excluded from the club you build for yourself after having been excluded from everywhere else ?

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7. rev_bi+2t[view] [source] 2018-01-16 19:46:45
>>fvdess+Pr
>I would like to offer another point of view

Honestly, I don't give a shit about "another point of view," and that you think it matters here is a great illustration of why women would run for the hills, whichever hills don't have you on them.

This is not about someone's experience as a "social reject," this isn't about sad boys not being cool in high school because they like comic books. This is about women wanting a place to talk to other women about an experience that they feel isolates them from their male colleagues. That men sometimes feel lonely too has nothing to do with it.

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