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China Moon Mission: Aiming for 2030 lunar landing

submitted by rbanff+(OP) on 2026-02-03 19:32:11 | 161 points 172 comments
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8. JumpCr+Jf[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 20:45:27
>>hdivid+ef
> China is more stable than the Soviet Union was in the 1960s

Xi literally just purged “the country’s top military leader, Gen. Zhang Youxia, and an associate, Gen. Liu Zhenli” [1].

This is the mark of a dictator. Not the Soviet Union at its finest.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/03/us/politics/china-xi-mili...

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12. JumpCr+ng[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 20:48:26
>>throwu+Hf
> One was coloniser and another one was a colony

This is an America-centric geopolitical model with zero predictive power.

China annexed Tibet in 1951 [1]. Xinjiang has been fighting colonization from the Qings, Soviets, Nationalists and PRC for over a century.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_China

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25. RobotT+Ki[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 20:58:27
>>JumpCr+Jf
There's a better article about it in the WSJ of all places https://archive.is/48m3F

Missing from both is that Zhang Youxia was the last senior PLA leader to have seen frontline action in the Sino-Vietnamese war.

28. JumpCr+pj[view] [source] 2026-02-03 21:02:46
>>rbanff+(OP)
Is there a good, consolidated technical description of their mission architecture?

(Apparently Artemis II is now pushed off the March [1]. Alongside Starship’s next scheduled launch [2].)

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/02/03/nasa-conducts...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starship_launches

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32. JumpCr+Al[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 21:14:29
>>Silver+mj
> curious how you define national interests

My metric would be what the country’s population today and weighted populations of the future, if they could weigh in, would choose.

It’s possible to frame ex post facto and impossible to pin down in the present. And it’s inherently subjective and culturally relative. But it’s useful to reason with, including for finding patterns in history.

One pattern is the cost of corruption. If a leader is making billions off their power, they’re putting person about polity. That’s currently true in America [1] and China [2][3]. The difference is America has a chance to fix that in ‘28. China used to rotate leaders. But Xi fucked that up. (Note the language similarity between the above comment and how MAGA defends itself. “Trite bullshit.” Beijing has a hidden MACA problem, it’s just had a tougher time dealing with it because Xi reveres Mao.)

[1] https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/spy-sheikh-secret-stake-...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/world/asia/chinas-preside...

[3] https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/mar/20/us-intel-sa...

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37. JumpCr+fn[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 21:23:17
>>smallm+Qk
> Did the USSR ever manufacture 80% of the stuff in your house?

China makes about a third of the world’s stuff [1]. Soviet Union probably peaked around a fifth, though it might have been as high as a fourth.

China is undoubtedly stronger today, absolutely and relative to the U.S., than the Soviets ever were. But history is littered with self-obsessed autocrats ruining a good thing.

Part of what makes the world today frustrating is both America and China are squandering their advantages in remarkably-similar ways, with each regime’s defenders speaking almost identically.

[1] https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/china-worlds-sole-manufacturi...

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53. RobotT+it[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 21:53:36
>>JumpCr+ng
It was part of China since 1720, it briefly declared independence in 1913 but that was recognised by no foreign nation [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet

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62. JumpCr+Ax[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 22:18:27
>>RobotT+it
Correct. Conquered or colonized in 1720 [1]. A century before the British colonized China with almost the same model (small garrison, literal Mandarin in charge). Put another way, the British controlled Hong Kong for longer than China has Tibet.

The coloniser-colonised model works in the New World. It’s silly outside it as a general model. (And it misfires completely when comparing America and China. Both were colonies. Both have colonized and hegemonised.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expedition_to_Tibet_(1...

65. kens+pA[view] [source] 2026-02-03 22:32:28
>>rbanff+(OP)
As a historical note, the first President Bush proposed in 1989 to establish a base on the Moon and send astronauts to Mars by 2020. In 2004, the second President Bush set a goal of returning to the Moon by 2020 and going to Mars in the 2030s, starting the Constellation program. In 2017, Trump announced that astronauts would return to the Moon, with the Artemis III project now planning a landing no earlier than 2028.

As a result, I don't have a lot of optimism about a US landing on the Moon. On the other hand, the James Webb Space Telescope did succeed even though the launch date slipped from 2007 to 2021. So I've learned not to be completely pessimistic.

Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/12/us/bush-sets-target-for-m... https://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/15/us/bush-backs-goal-of-fli... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation_program

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72. hbarka+GE[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 22:54:33
>>JumpCr+Jf
Our dear leader just purged the Pentagon and other hallowed agencies, what does that make us?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/latest-purge-hegseth-remove...

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86. gus_ma+vJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 23:24:11
>>kens+pA
Relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/2014/
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92. T-A+EL[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 23:35:34
>>JumpCr+FG
I would rate this as an achievement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft)#Orbital_fli...

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110. protoc+KT[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 00:20:50
>>JumpCr+ci
> because Xi fired every military expert who might disagree with him

Are they being fired for disagreeing with him, or for misconduct.

I mean its hard to tell the difference from a western country, but "Zhang was put under investigation for allegedly forming political cliques, promoting Li Shangfu as defense minister in exchange for large bribes, and leaking core technical data on China's nuclear weapons to the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Youxia

Seems fairly reasonable. Like the US Military would act in the exact same way, if those circumstances are correct.

113. jmyeet+PZ[view] [source] 2026-02-04 00:57:34
>>rbanff+(OP)
Some people seem to think the previous space race was about technology. That was all incidental. The Space Race was entirely geopolitical. It was a conflict proxy, an artifact of the Cold War. Any technology was entirely incidental.

The US has been talking about a return to the Moon for 50 years. George W Bush talked about it in 2004. It still hasn't happened. Artemis is limping along but it's entirely pork barrelling for the overly expensive SLS program that really no future.

Some might say SpaceX will come to the rescue. That's... doubtful. Notably, Elon calls the Moon "a distraction" [1]. Why would he do this? It's free money from the government.

The answer is actually pretty simple: Tsarship simply isn't designed for this mission type. Landing a Starship on the MOon is much more complex than, say, the LEM for the Apollo missions or the proposed Chinese lunar lander. If you could, your astronats would be 40 meters off the ground. The big advantage of a "traditional" lunar lander is it can't really topple over. Plus the Apollo LEM also had a very simple engine that could only ever be used once but the big advantage was that it was extremely difficult to fail.

If you exclude all that, Starship is behind schedule and still requires developing technology that they haven't even begun to test, most notably in-orbit refueling.

So why is China doing all this? I suspect it's mainly to develop their own reusable rocket program with a side of national pride. China is very concerned with their national security interests. Being able to launch things cheaply is a critical national security interest.

Still, the mission architecture of China's mission (from what I've read) is still fairly complex, requiring two vehicles to rendezvous in lunar orbit. That's also why I think the primary goal is orbital launch capacity.

[1]: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875023335891026324

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118. chesch+H81[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 01:57:31
>>gus_ma+vJ
Which was posted in 2018!

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2014:_JWST_Delays

136. 0x5896+Uv1[view] [source] 2026-02-04 05:35:08
>>rbanff+(OP)
Relevant: can you get root with only a [cigarette] lighter?

[1]:>>41765716

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