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Pretty soon, heat pumps will be able to store and distribute heat as needed

submitted by PaulHo+(OP) on 2026-02-01 18:15:40 | 266 points 237 comments
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19. Dangit+8d1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-02 05:20:34
>>amazin+Jb1
That's probably exactly what will happen.

    Energy property - Heat pumps and biomass stoves and boilers

    Heat pumps that meet or exceed the CEE highest efficiency tier, not including any advanced tier, in effect at the beginning of the year when the property is installed, and biomass stoves and boilers with a thermal efficiency rating of at least 75% qualify for a credit up to $2,000 per year. Costs may include labor for installation.

    Qualified property includes new:

    Electric or natural gas heat pumps
    Electric or natural gas heat pump water heaters
    Biomass stoves and boilers

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/energy-efficient-home...
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22. schiff+Ii1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-02 06:26:54
>>Neywin+tH
In this work the authors use a ceramic-coated extruded aluminum heat spreader to improve thermal conductivity through the bulk PCM, but I wonder if the graphite flake+powder additive demonstrated recently by Tech Ingredients[1] would be a viable alternative? It might need a stabilizer (thickener) to prevent the ingredients from separating.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-41UF02vrU

26. chicke+jq1[view] [source] 2026-02-02 07:55:00
>>PaulHo+(OP)
Perhaps I am missing something; this product already exists as the Sunamp Thermino.

https://sunamp.com/en-gb/hot-water-solutions-thermino-range/

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46. Dangit+s92[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-02 14:20:05
>>hnburn+le1
You can also get considerable rebates if your state participates in the "Inflation Reduction Act Home Energy Rebate Program", especially if you are low income. My state is still working on rolling it out but hopefully many people who can't use tax credits will be able to take advantage.

https://www.tn.gov/environment/program-areas/energy/state-en...

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47. vee-ka+sl2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-02 15:26:42
>>ZeroGr+ev1
You are right in your analogy.

Earth's oceans and seas act as giant heat sinks.

And that means more trouble as global climate change impacts..

https://www.earth.com/news/ocean-warming-broke-records-for-4...

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71. toomuc+Uy3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-02 21:22:15
>>spockz+hv3
This is promising.

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2026/01/29/samsung-releases-new-...

> The South Korean giant [Samsung] said its new EHS All-in-One provides air heating and cooling, floor heating, and hot water from a single outdoor unit. It can supply hot water up to 65 C in below-zero weather.

> Dubbed EHS All-in-One, the system provides air heating and cooling, floor heating, and hot water from a single outdoor unit. It is initially released for the European market, with a Korean rollout expected within a year. “It delivers stable performance across diverse weather conditions. It can supply hot water up to 65 C even in below-zero weather and is designed to operate heating even in severe cold down to -25 C,” the company said in a statement. “The system also uses the R32 refrigerant, which has a substantially lower impact on global warming compared with the older R410A refrigerant.”

79. ortusd+AE3[view] [source] 2026-02-02 21:47:19
>>PaulHo+(OP)
I was interested to learn about cold district heating recently, which is basically a municipal scale geothermal system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_district_heating

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88. lizkno+uN3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-02 22:19:29
>>jandre+Cr3
Ask This Old House had an episode literally yesterday where they installed a \ solar-assisted split heat pump water heater. There is a component that goes on the outside of the house but not on the roof which simplifies installation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqyAWkXXt3A

https://www.neshw.com/residential/solar-heat-pump-water-heat...

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91. Youden+3O3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-02 22:21:29
>>baggac+3G3
I don't know what it's like where you're living but here in Switzerland it's completely normal to have one heat pump that does both. Here there's a lot of floor heating, which also uses water, so you usually just run one loop to the "boiler" (a water tank with a copper loop for the water from the heat pump to circulate through) and one through the floor and have a valve to switch which is running through the heat pump.

I have one of these: https://cta.ch/en/private/products/ah-i-eco-innen

I got it in October so most of the time I've had it has been <10C. It's produced 806.3 kWh of heating for hot water and 6587.2 kWh for the floor heating. It consumed 302.7 kWh and 1801.4 kWh respectively, for a COP of 2.66 and 3.66.

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103. Youden+LY3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-02 22:58:06
>>syntax+dI
Even LFP batteries can work out better.

I live in Switzerland where these are available. A Cowa 58 [0] costs CHF 4692 [1] and stores up to 13.5kWh. If you're heating the water with a heat pump, that's ~6kWh of electricity, so ~CHF 782/kWh.

I'm in the process of installing a 33kWh battery and the battery + inverter cost CHF 13600 in total for just the hardware, so ~CHF 482/kWh.

If you add solar panels, the inverter does double-duty producing AC from both the battery and the panels. The battery does double-duty producing both hot water and allowing you to use solar energy outside the times when the sun is shining.

That said, having ordered a heat pump recently and being in the process of having solar + batteries installed, the amount of electrical work needed for the solar/battery install is substantially higher than was needed for the heat pump and here, the labour costs quite a lot, pushing the upfront cost difference even higher.

I think that's where these heat storage things fit in: they have a much lower upfront cost. No matter how cheap the battery, for it to be useful in a Swiss residence, it needs to output a substantial amount of 3-phase power (3-phase is standard here, even in most apartments), which means you need to spend a couple thousand Francs on an inverter and electrical work. These heat storage devices are quite cheap and don't even need someone qualified to handle refrigerants, I imagine they could be installed by a normal plumber.

That reduced upfront cost makes them far more accessible than electrical batteries, at least for now.

[0]: https://www.cowa-ts.com/uploads/files/Dokumente/Datenblaette...

[1]: https://nettoheizungshop.ch/Cowa-COMPACT-Cell-58

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117. Joel_M+rq4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 01:29:29
>>animal+MP1
They are a very efficient way to get both AC and Heating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zrx-b2sLUs

Unless you live in a cold climate, they are worth it for a discounted energy bill =3

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131. apathe+GE4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 03:12:08
>>chanks+Ul3
Also pies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAHLFvD3v4

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139. Benoit+cL4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 04:08:02
>>rekabi+2u
Yeah I always wondered if I ever switched to solar panels, would there be a way to accumulate heat to be used in the Canadian cold months that have little sunlight? The closest I found was electric thermal storage based on heating bricks. They can accumulate more energy than water since they can go to higher temperatures. For example these say they go to 1300°F or 700°C https://steffes.com/ets/roomheater/ . They don't seem to have large models that could heat a house for months however.
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160. ryzvon+pf5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 08:36:06
>>jokoon+l15
Persians had a system since 400 BC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l

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176. TobTob+xw5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 10:50:17
>>raffra+Fa5
The name of the YT channel is NightHawkInLight[0] btw. Absolutely worth checking out. He creates materials with extremely useful properties from household materials (eg. PCM (high heat capacity), highly reflective paintings, Aerocrete (high insulation/fire resistance), ...)

[0]: https://youtube.com/@Nighthawkinlight

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182. manmal+KE5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 11:50:46
>>pjc50+so5
That's completely wrong.

Electricity (standard): 33.34 p/kWh

Heating oil (gas oil): 10.54 p/kWh

Kerosene: 6.20 p/kWh

Mains gas: 7.68 p/kWh

https://www.nottenergy.com/advice-and-tools/project-energy-c...

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189. V__+8O5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 12:52:07
>>jaapz+jN5
Water (given enough volume) is a pretty good heat storage.

https://youtu.be/Bm7L-2J52GU?t=270

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190. teclea+fR5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 13:15:44
>>rekabi+xK2
The use of unit characters in Unicode is not recommended by the consortium, they mostly exist for compatibility with Asian encodings. The recommendation is to use the Latin letter and the degree sign.

See page 758 of the Chapter 22 for the Unicode 9.0 standard:

https://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode9.0.0/ch22.pdf

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198. footyd+B36[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 14:24:07
>>hippo2+sY4
> Heat pumps don’t work well on old, poorly insulated houses in cold climates. If they can keep up, which is a big if, the price of electricity generally dwarfs natural gas, even if the heat pump is running at 250-300% efficiency.

I've got a 1930s semi-detached house (UK, north of England) - heated solely by a ASHP for both heating and hot water.

Our Seasonal Coefficient of Performance is currently 3.47 (347% efficient) - even if limit that to just last month (coldest month of the winter so far in the UK) our COP was 3.25 (325% efficiency).

Roughly speaking if you can achieve a COP over 3.2x in the UK it should be roughly on a par with gas, assuming you go 'gas free' (i.e. you can make the saving on the gas standing charge).

Personally we're running at ~£200 annual saving vs. my estimate of what costs would be for equivalent gas boiler - that's thanks in part to being able to do all our hot-water heating at night rates.

House wise - we don't have cavity wall insulation, have 15+ year old double-glazing and probably should have more insulation in the loft (it fills the rafters but I think these days that's considered not enough).

Also with changes to ECO (energy company obligations) and RO (renewables obligations) the differential between gas and electric will reduce further

Anyhoo - added my example to show that ASHP can work perfectly fine in old, poorly insulated homes in (moderately) cold climates.

ECO/RO link - https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2025/11/energy-bill-c...

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205. Ineffa+Qk6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 15:43:51
>>moooo9+ki5
The legionella thing is a little overblown fwiw. 50 degrees is perfectly adequate, and you can go lower with very little risk if you set it to briefly bump up to 60 every week or two. Even that is not hugely necessary in a domestic setting.

https://www.heatgeek.com/articles/legionella-and-water-tempe...

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208. mock-p+Yo6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 15:59:35
>>V__+8O5
It can be a pretty good ‘battery’ too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricit...

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223. coryrc+nD8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 03:52:21
>>leoedi+sF5
EDIT: I misread "ripping out these energy storage devices" as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_heater which are basically bricks with nichrome wire.

You're right, of course heat pump water heaters use tanks to smooth out DHW demand, but that same thing isn't feasible for space heating.

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225. coryrc+8E8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 04:01:29
>>ZeroGr+p75
> No one is storing 1000C water at home.

Right, but UK has/had "storage heaters" which were bricks with nichrome wire. They would heat the bricks really hot during cheap electricity times, and use that heat the rest of the day.

EDIT: I misread "ripping out these energy storage devices" as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_heater

Of course heat pumps for DHW should all have a tank for smoothing demand across several hours.

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229. x_____+6Sa[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 18:43:09
>>Joe_Co+NT5
Thanks for the recommendation, I will go out and try this, despite the belief that some people hold about Hawaii Toast giving you cancer[1].

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_Hawaii

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