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"They Saw a Protest": Cognitive Illiberalism and the Speech-Conduct Distinction [pdf] (2012)

submitted by pcahar+(OP) on 2026-01-09 13:52:13 | 74 points 32 comments
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10. ChrisA+8s[view] [source] 2026-01-09 16:31:37
>>pcahar+(OP)
Some previous discussion:

2022 >>32257799

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14. isx726+bv[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-09 16:46:23
>>rayine+9n
Yes, and now we have billionaires arguing in public about such basic facts:

X link: https://x.com/paulg/status/2008989862725341658

Screenshot: https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1q6zgq5/theres_someth...

15. adolph+yw[view] [source] 2026-01-09 16:51:30
>>pcahar+(OP)
Brings to mind the Errol Morris investigation of a pair of historic photos in which the photographer may or may not have altered the scene to amp up the drama.

https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/roger-fenton-valle...

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19. fzeror+sB[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-09 17:13:57
>>boxed+jA
For reference since I'm going to assume good faith here, I recommend watching the full videos [1] from multiple angles since there's been multiple edits, cuts and potential changes done if you've seen it elsewhere or on social media. These are the unedited and unmodified videos.

[1] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU...

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25. rayine+cZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-09 18:57:43
>>derbOa+oB
This may be related to your point, but I think another problem is that we focus on isolated events instead of applying systems thinking. Any large scale government system will result in accidental deaths. Amtrak has killed almost 600 people in the last four years. (This is not unique to Amtrak. It’s inherent in any rail system that has crossings at grade: https://www.vice.com/en/article/a-train-driver-talks-about-w....) But as a society we accept that a certain number of bystanders being killed is an acceptable consequence for performance of an important government function.

Law enforcement similarly is inherently dangerous. You can enforce various standards, but fundamentally you have to pick where the set the slider bar on the scale from maximizing law enforcement effectiveness to minimizing accidental casualties.

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