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Eye contact makes me very uncomfortable.”

“I suck at small talk.”

“I have rigid routines.”

“I hyper-focus on my hobbies.”

“I am always fidgeting.”

“Social interaction exhausts me.”

“I really bad at making friends.”

“I don’t fit in; people find me weird.”

I never considered it althought I'm ticking all the buttons (bad gear ? [0])

[0] https://youtube.com/@audiopilz?si=g6iGJK3ygnCWESWW

>>d-lisp+(OP)
You could add "I'm a HN regular" as a diagnostic criterium.

The HN crowd is surely over-represented in ASD, which makes sense for people enjoying debating nerdy topics and pedantry.

And "I like Lisp" should be an automatic qualifier.

>>d-lisp+(OP)
As a diagnosed autistic, I think I would ask -- does ticking these boxes make you feel like, "oh shit, this could explain some difficulties..." or just go, "huh, interesting?"

I tend to invite people to think about how their lives have been impacted. For example, I experience anxiety at late invites to events I'd enjoy. I panic and decline them because I'm experiencing a highly irrational anger fear response to changing schedules. This causes me to miss events I would otherwise enjoy, and then I feel guilty. Having to process all those feelings takes a lot of energy, and it's really draining. That has significant impact on my life.

Compare to a friend of mine who just prefers quiet evenings. She declines things all the time but never gives it a second thought.

Disability vs preference. It's ok if it's either! Neither of us are wrong, we just experience different impacts in our lives.

>>spectr+h2
Well, I exiled myself to the countryside because I want to be able to choose how much exposure to society I want.

I guess I gamed the problems you are talking about, but as a side effect I am sometimes probably weirder than before (which is a non problem when you live where I live).

I would probably live a sad and boring life if I were to live in any small/medium/big city.

>>d-lisp+(OP)
I used to be an educator, and many of my students had an autism diagnosis. I would get to know them and often eventually decide that they were "just like" me, except that whatever their problems were, I had it worse.

So then I would look at these autism checklists and say, "yep, that's me," but when I actually looked at the strict diagnostic criteria, it wasn't that clear.

Looking at this article, I get it. There are other, more focused criteria that can be more appropriate. But those diagnoses don't trigger the special services, so they don't get used often enough.

What is my takeaway? People often don't conform to a model of average human behavior. Being unusual isn't necessarily a grave character flaw (which is what my mother had me believe) but merely an expression of the great variety of human intellect and behavior. It gives me license, without official diagnosis, to enjoy being who I am without shame or embarrassment.

>>coldte+f1
I honestly prefer C/assembly over lisp, which should be even more so.

>>vertne+65
agreed.

I studied philosophy during a large extent of my life, and I am a convinced Witgensteinian.

>>vertne+65
The diagnosis criteria are written by and for neurotypical people. Autistic people are likely to dismiss them as not fitting because they are reading them too literally.

Also we tend to underestimate our own symptoms. As a ADHD person it took me a long time to understand that many of my struggles were not things everyone experienced. I still find it hard to really grasp that most people don't suffer from executive dysfunction and can just do things, even things they are not interested in.

Honestly if you relate to autistic people chances are high that you have some form of neurodivergence. It might be worth trying to get a diagnosis, even just to be sure.

>>coldte+f1
I am schizotypy and I very much love Common Lisp but not so much Racket haha

>>escand+V8
How do you feel about Scheme ?

>>d-lisp+L9
lisp-1 (s) give me the chills: very much prefer doubled namespaces. Though these days I focus on systems security or threat analysis. I still fondly remember the days where I could launch Emacs with sbcl and write some Montecarlo simulations on Common Lisp with electric-parens haha Those were the days of stimulating learning

>>escand+Va
That's funny, I never found doubled namespaces that interesting; what are your opinions, why do you prefer them ?

> electric parens

I get you, I was amazed by the litterature around lisps (I always found the beginning of SICP (the wizard-programmer analogy) quite inspiring and fun)

>>d-lisp+wc
It was kind of a joke intent but it gives out to better naming position although unambiguous symbols to specify a symbol; such as #' for function names. Plus now that I remember the common Lisp ANSI specification is just awesome, free and locally installable and browsable from Emacs at symbols from ages. Common Lisp images were myriads ahead in an intospectable sense, like Smalltalk. Objects and primitives can use the built-in debugger to display their inwards. The environment is just plain astonishing, moreover ten years ago - when I started - and Emacs is free as in speech and compilable from scratch, plus org-mode is awesome as well. Nowadays I feel sorry of Python introspection capabilities although hinted typing improved it so much. Not to mention Common Lisp tight generated assembly and it's garbage collector which was ahead of its own: first with Boehm and then with parallel ones. SICP was nice although nicest was the one about gravitational physics, or brownian motions, also in Scheme. Good times.

>>escand+9e
Yes, browsing the hyperspec (what a glorious name) inside of emacs was such a joy also.

That's truly a shame scripting/glue languages took a different path than lisp, but well, you can always lisp shape anything.

>>coldte+f1
I'm reminded of a post on r/Factorio. (Factory builder game.)

(Paraphrase, I don't recall the words)

If you like Factorio you should be tested for autism because you might be autistic. If you like Pymods (a mod that adds an extreme number of hoops to the game) you should be tested for autism because there's a chance you don't have it.

>>d-lisp+wc
Lisp-2 virgins want to name a variable 'list' and not shadow the function named 'list', so they add on a separate function binding to each symbol. "So you have to type sharpquote if you want the function value of a symbol," they say. "What's the big deal?" Except they don't stop there: symbols also have to have package awareness and "property lists", or in other words an arbitrary number of other bindings.

Scheme chads understand that perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away. They realize functions are nothing special, just another object that can be manipulated and operated on, so why create a separate namespace and binding for them? Why put bindings in the symbol at all, since if you are designing your language correctly bindings will vary with lexical environment? So symbols have been stripped down to just a name that the language recognizes as an identifier for a value, function, special form, or whatever else. And functions are just values that get applied whenever in head position of an eval'd list.

I jest, I jest. Seriously, I love Common Lisp, but I'm with you: Lisp-1s appeal better to my aesthetic sensibilities.

>>coldte+f1
> And "I like Lisp" should be an automatic qualifier.

Very funny and on the nose :)

>>spectr+h2
Yeah, exactly. Having an ADHD diagnosis has been incredibly helpful, because now I can make much more accurate predictions on what is likely to be difficult and figure out strategies.

It can really be the difference between struggling with or enjoying a situation

>>coldte+f1
We definitely do run in packs. All of my really good friends have ended up being diagnosed with (or strongly suspected of having) ADHD or autism.

>>d-lisp+h5
C maybe, Assembly for sure. Haskell too.

The peak ASD diagnostic criterium should be Forth though.