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1. nikanj+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-12-05 16:59:57
Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell
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2. Telane+Z1[view] [source] 2025-12-05 17:07:46
>>nikanj+(OP)
What 5-ish inch screen phone has even been released within the past 5 years? The only ones I can think of are the Unihertz phones, and those don't get a single update after getting shoved out the door, not to mention that they're probably full of Chinese backdoors. I'd buy that exact phone in a heartbeat if it didn't have those problems, and all the other ones I've seen have similar dealbreakers.
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3. hxtk+p4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:17:56
>>Telane+Z1
iPhone had the 12 and 13 mini, but they didn't sell, so there was no iPhone 14 mini and hasn't been one since. That was a 5.4" display.
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4. clucki+q4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:17:58
>>Telane+Z1
iPhone SE 3 was released in 2022
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5. maelit+36[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:24:44
>>hxtk+p4
> but they didn't sell

What do you call "didn't sell" ? In numbers.

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6. maelit+86[view] [source] 2025-12-05 17:25:10
>>nikanj+(OP)
Small phones are also way less addictive. It's not in the interest of the mobile ecosystem.
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7. Wistar+L7[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:32:44
>>hxtk+p4
I cherish my iPhone 12 Mini and treat it with great care as it is the form factor I want and I want it to last as long as possible.
8. nebula+U8[view] [source] 2025-12-05 17:38:41
>>nikanj+(OP)
Yeah...like Apple: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...

As someone holding onto their iPhone mini 13 for dear life, I hope they will release a one off in a few years once support for the 13 mini ends.

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9. nebula+89[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:39:56
>>maelit+36
How about 3% of sales: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...
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10. nebula+ua[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:45:27
>>maelit+86
How do you assess that? I'd imagine it would be more along the lines of is the phone frictionless to use?

This is just an anecdote but I owned every Google Nexus phone they made up to Nexus 5. A series of bugs caused priceless videos to get ruined and I decided to try iPhone after that. I didn't realize just how much I unconsciously hated using the Nexus phone and that contributed to me not actually adopting smartphone software until I got the iPhone. When the phone and the OS were a burden it led to the phone being avoided. I dont know which was better. I appreciate the battery life, camera and general stability but I hate the new addictions to social media it has caused.

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11. Telane+Ma[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:46:51
>>hxtk+p4
I skipped that one because my SE 2 was less than a year old and I didn't want to go up a size.
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12. Telane+4b[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:48:04
>>clucki+q4
Very fair. I skipped it because my SE 2 was still going strong when that came out, which I kind of regret now, since I can't get a new SE 3 anymore.
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13. Lord-J+bc[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:52:12
>>nebula+U8
Yeah I feel like putting it closer to the SE lifecycle is must be a better decision than fully axing the mini lineup. If we get a mini 13, then a mini 19 or 20? I can live with that.
14. thesui+vc[view] [source] 2025-12-05 17:54:15
>>nikanj+(OP)
I've been IT operations for years, and when I order laptops I sometimes do a little experiment. If I ask people if they want a 15.6" laptop or a 13" laptop, they always say 15.6. If I don't give them a choice and just start buying 13" laptops, everybody tells me how much they love the smaller laptop, and people still on the 15.6" models start looking around asking when they can get the smaller one.

People don't know what they want unless you give it to them.

15. boznz+Fd[view] [source] 2025-12-05 17:59:01
>>nikanj+(OP)
Only Apple would consider selling millions, but not tens of millions a failure.
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16. seba_d+RE[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 20:01:18
>>Telane+Z1
If 5-ish includes 5.7", then the Librem 5 that I'm typing this on would qualify. It's still borderline too big for my tastes though.
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17. MBCook+9D1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 03:09:16
>>boznz+Fd
Right. We don’t know that Apple didn’t make money. Only that they didn’t make enough money. By whatever definition they used.
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18. MBCook+dD1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 03:09:43
>>nebula+89
It’s a hell of a lot of phones.
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19. maelit+b82[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 10:20:47
>>nebula+ua
Just evaluating my dependency. Was way lower with a small phone than with my 6 inch.

It could be assessed by a study, I have opinions until then.

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20. maelit+j82[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 10:22:42
>>nebula+89
In march of that year, but was higher before, no ? Anyway, that's ~ 3 million phones. It's a lot.
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21. hxtk+WE3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-07 00:27:40
>>maelit+j82
I'm making this distinction post-hoc, so I already know how it turned out: they ultimately decided to stop making those smaller devices. I assume that means it wasn't enough sales to be a financially viable product, and to me, selling "enough" would mean that Apple found it profitable to maintain the supply chains and assembly lines for those smaller devices and continued to invest in the product.

Arguing against myself, Apple could be discontinuing the smaller models because they did market research and found that most buyers of smaller, cheaper devices could be converted to buyers of larger, more expensive devices if those smaller devices didn't exist. Auto manufacturers are doing just that, discontinuing or enlarging smaller light trucks in favor of larger models that are subject to less regulation and therefore can be designed and manufactured more cheaply and might offer even more profit.

If Apple has or had that strategy, then my assumptions are flawed because no matter how many mini iPhones they sell, they would still want to get rid of the line as long as most of those customers could be converted to full-size iPhone customers.

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