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1. liampu+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-12-05 16:35:49
The lesson presented by the last few big outages is that entropy is, in fact, inescapable. The comprehensibility of a system cannot keep up with its growing and aging complexity forever. The rate of unknown unknowns will increase.

The good news is that a more decentralized internet with human brain scoped components is better for innovation, progress, and freedom anyway.

replies(2): >>hnthro+F9 >>agenti+LA
2. hnthro+F9[view] [source] 2025-12-05 17:16:50
>>liampu+(OP)
I'm not sure how decentralization helps though. People in a bazzar are going to care even less about sharing shadow knowledge. Linux IMO succeeds not because of the bazaar but because of Linus.
replies(3): >>liampu+at >>marcos+yx >>ventur+5Z
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3. liampu+at[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 18:44:05
>>hnthro+F9
What is the shadow knowledge in this case?
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4. marcos+yx[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 19:00:47
>>hnthro+F9
You don't keep a bazaar running with shadow knowledge. Either the important things are published or it doesn't run.
5. agenti+LA[view] [source] 2025-12-05 19:14:17
>>liampu+(OP)
yet my dedicated server has been up since 2015 with zero downtimes

i dont think this is an entropy issue its human error bubbling up and cloudflare charges a premium for it

my faith in cloudflare is shoook for sure two major outages weeks apart ad this wont be the last

replies(4): >>samdoe+lM >>PKop+X01 >>ectosp+821 >>bongod+5Z1
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6. samdoe+lM[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 20:11:14
>>agenti+LA
With all due respect, your dedicated server is not quite as complex as Cloudflare...
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7. ventur+YY[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 21:15:02
>>samdoe+lM
Eppur si muove. A random server serving things is exactly what the internet was supposed to be: a decentralized network of nodes.
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8. ventur+5Z[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 21:15:29
>>hnthro+F9
Decentralization is resilience; that's why the internet even works at all. That was the entire point of it, in fact.
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9. PKop+X01[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 21:25:22
>>agenti+LA
Why is the stability of your dedicated server a counterpoint that cloud behemoths can't keep up with their increasing entropy? Seems more like a supporting argument of OP at best, a non sequitur at worst.
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10. ectosp+821[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 21:30:21
>>agenti+LA
Which 2015 kernel are you running?
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11. samdoe+sB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 01:51:55
>>ventur+YY
I agree, I was just commenting that your single server being simpler is less affected by entropy :)
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12. thenth+LD1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 02:17:09
>>liampu+at
Also curious, since the bazaar seems to be where one acquires shadow knowledge (grey market items, support structures for unregistered people etc.). See Chungking Mansions in Hong Kong for a practical example.
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13. bongod+5Z1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 06:44:38
>>agenti+LA
Yeah, because it's not complex. It's 1 server. Get back to us when your 100k servers homelab data center that does a million different things has 10 years of uptime.
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