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Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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21. afandi+Yd[view] [source] 2025-12-05 16:10:51
>>jhoho+(OP)
I went down a 1-minute rabbithole. I hate Whatsapp, but it's not optional. So I was curious if it's compatible.

There's a Sailfish help page [0] showing how to get the APK from Aptoide, or downloading directly from Whatsapp.com .

But with Google killing off 'sideloading', is it credible that independent APK sources are going to dry up in future?

[0] https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Help_Articles/Whatsapp_S...

24. fodmap+1f[view] [source] 2025-12-05 16:14:32
>>jhoho+(OP)
Don't confuse Jolla https://jolla.com/ with Volla https://volla.online/en/index.php

Both are European companys with a great privacy drive.

30. kogepa+Ag[view] [source] 2025-12-05 16:20:07
>>jhoho+(OP)
Hard no on giving Jolla a cent. Jolla rug-pulled [1] people who crowd-funded [2] their tablet in 2014.

Jolla used the crowd-funding campaign to butter up VCs for their next funding round [3] and then decided the Asian LLC handling the crowdfunding would go bankrupt, leaving backers with no tablets and most with no refund. [4]

The real kicker was that the tablets were ALREADY manufactured by their ODM, Jolla just never paid them. Took backers money and stiffed their manufacturing partner too. For a while after the campaign folded you could buy Jolla branded tablets (running Android, it was just an ODM model they flashed Sailfish on) on eBay or Taobao [5]. I just checked and there's a Jolla Tablet listed on eBay right now. [6]

10 years later, it looks like they're trying the same thing. Maybe they think the internet has forgotten, but I have zero interest in supporting their next hardware rug-pull endeavour.

[1] https://together.jolla.com/question/97695/information-regard...

[2] https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/jolla/jolla-tablet-wor...

[3] https://jolla.com/content/uploads/2017/02/46_JOLLATABLET_STR...

[4] https://blog.jolla.com/second_phase_refund/

[5] https://old.reddit.com/r/Jolla/comments/3x2s7e/jolla_tablets...

[6] https://archive.ph/Ncf17

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40. moelf+0j[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 16:30:53
>>joecoo+Ud
https://www.androidauthority.com/graphene-os-major-android-o... hope fully soon
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47. ActorN+lk[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 16:35:49
>>dzink+Zj
https://sailfishos.org/
79. stiray+vp[view] [source] 2025-12-05 16:58:31
>>jhoho+(OP)
I wouldnt recommend it.

TLDR: while the OS is great (really GREAT), the real-world compatibility is not.

I had Sailfish OS for a daily driver for two years, and OS is great (let me say that again, Sailfish IS GREAT!), but there are "the details".

Jolla is completely ignorant to needs of their users. While they do have an android layer, they are ignoring to things that are of huge importance for daily life, like bluetooth passtrough, and are important due to daily needs, for instance, bluetooth passtrough is really important for using public transport here.

FFS, I was reversing banking application and patching it to be able to use it. And actually became very good at it :D

Here is a bluetooth feature request thread, that is open for 5 years: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/bluetooth-support-in-android and being blatantly ignored.

And lets not get into details, like NFC.

So at the end you will have a great OS, incompatible with the whole world. After 2 years of suffering, I ditched Sailfish, bought Pixel and installed Graphene OS.

Once Jolla starts to listen to their customers, they are on the path to very real android contender, but unfortunately they just dont understand, that people need some features, they are not providing while the vendors wont support some exotic OS. They need to adapt, not vendors - the whole thread is full of this mentality.

The android "container" was a step into right direction but they just shouldnt abandone it and keep on supporting it, adding additional layers of compatibility.

I really hope they will change their mind at some point and prioritize compatibility, would love to ditch android and its spyware driven ecosystem completely, but sadly, Graphene OS + NetGuard is just a far better alternative until Jolla stops behaving like an infant. They are literally sabotaging themself in a worse possible way.

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112. cbolto+0u[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:16:52
>>9cb14c+yn
The operating system (Sailfish OS) is a mix of components, some open and some closed. Search for "open source" on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS . They have said years ago that it would be open sourced, but as far as I know the Silica UI is still proprietary.
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116. pessim+Yu[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:20:42
>>jeffbe+tp
You probably never used Maemo, whose UI (and also Palm's WebOS UI) were ripped off for later versions of Android and iOS, which wasn't even multitasking yet. Literally hired the same people to do them. Jolla started with the FOSS parts of Maemo but went proprietary.

If Nokia hadn't been intentionally destroyed by its board in a romance with Microsoft cash, through a Canadian snake, Maemo would have been a real contender. You can get an vague idea what it looked like from here: https://maemo-leste.github.io/

Also, I don't know what's motivating you to just make negative shit up from whole cloth. Where did Linux touch you?

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117. cbolto+0v[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:20:48
>>attah_+Jp
Look at the Wikipedia page, it's a mix of open source and proprietary copmonents. The OS project describes itself on https://sailfishos.org/info/ as "open source based" rather than "open source". It seems they have opened up some stuff since the last time I looked, but as far as I can tell the Silica UI is still proprietary. See for example https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/silica-components-license-and...
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131. nebula+Ny[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:38:41
>>nikanj+Tp
Yeah...like Apple: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...

As someone holding onto their iPhone mini 13 for dear life, I hope they will release a one off in a few years once support for the 13 mini ends.

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133. mpol+Ty[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:39:03
>>cbolto+qw
The Open Sourcing? There is more about it on the forum for Sailfish with phase 1, the weather app, notes app and a few other bits:

https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/2468...

Then there is community news category with updates, but it's a bit haphazard and ongoing in this context:

https://forum.sailfishos.org/c/community-news/25

The Camera app, Gallery app, Nexcloud accounts and other accounts components are open sourced and on github. There is now talk about Silica, the Wayland compositor. It hasn't been updated well in recent years and there is talk about moving it to Weston or Wlroots, while also supporting xdg-shell for GTK applications.

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134. nebula+1z[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:39:56
>>maelit+Wv
How about 3% of sales: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...
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148. Fnoord+XB[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 17:51:40
>>getpok+Hj
There is probably one other person on planet Earth who also just feels burnt out on these type of projects (you can just call it cyberdeck).

Meanwhile, from [1]

> 2,777 backers pledged CA$ 1,264,707 to help bring this project to life.

> UPDATE: The project got fully funded within 5 minutes! Can’t believe the support—thank you so much!

ClockworkPi's DevTerm, uConsole, GameShell are constantly sold out [2]. Hackberry Pi, constantly sold out.

Jolla's strength is SailfishOS which is a successor of Maemo/MeeGo. It is a Linux-based solution with a good, gesture-based UI with Android emulation.

GrapheneOS has nothing to do with any of these projects. It is software-only, for Google Pixel devices, and it has a specific strength (security) no other OS/HW combo comes close to.

The strength of a modular smartphone is, it is repairable and you can physically alter its features without changing form factor, like Framework. For smartphones, I believe a Fairphone is very modular, and smartwatches Pixel Watch 4 (but it only runs WearOS).

[1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/soulscircuit/pilet-open...

[2] https://www.clockworkpi.com

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164. andrey+PH[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 18:18:55
>>amanci+fz
Follow this forum: https://forum.sailfishos.org/c/announcements/17.
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165. jhoho+VH[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 18:19:39
>>amanci+fz
Their last announcement is from November 2024: https://jolla.com/press

I guess they'll start PR once the phone is funded.

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180. ux2664+uT[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 19:08:22
>>nebula+zC
No. The touchscreen firmware's source is not distributed[1] for one, and neither is the firmware for the baseband processor. Possibly more aspects.

Although "open" doesn't matter as much as "libre" does. Modifying source code is useless if you can't actually replace the running instance. It has all the same problems as closed source software. Baseband processors are legally required to be tivoized, thus the violation of user freedoms is encoded in law. Quite frankly, I think it's a huge mistake on the part of regulators. If somebody wanted to do undesirable things on cellphone bands, they can simply build their own transciever for it and there's effectively no way to stop that. These regulations aren't a real security measure, not even security through obscurity. Making a transmitter for a certain band is trivial if all you're doing is causing interference. If the malicious actor is doing more than just that, it already requires a strong understanding of RF principles such that they already effectively posses the knowledge to make an appropriate transciever. All regulators effectively do here with Tivoization is protect potential back doors and security vulnerabilities from being mitigated.

[1] - https://docs.puri.sm/Hardware/Librem_5/advanced/firmware.htm...

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193. m4rtin+Q51[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 20:07:02
>>nebula+LE
Consumers decided - and Google also decided to ban manufacturers from building phones with another OS or they loose access to Google Play store and Google apps on the lucrative Android phones they also manufacture: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...

(the article is from 2013 but was updated in 2018)

So no manufacturer that already builds Android phones will make an alternative OS phone for you - and that's effectively all of the mobile phone manufacturers given Apple makes all of the iOS devices.

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205. fsflov+su1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 22:16:21
>>abnerc+98
Did you hear about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5
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226. Setok+2o2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 08:08:57
>>amanci+fz
They post now and then on Mastodon.

https://techhub.social/@jolla

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249. Aachen+fc3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 16:43:23
>>fsflov+zz2
They answered elsewhere in the thread: >>46164485
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