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1. wallet+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-12-05 14:33:43
Snorting adderall does not typically cause brain damage, and the list of substances rich white kids (I’m guessing here) would typically upgrade to is pretty much just cocaine.

Typical cocaine use also does not result in meaningful harm.

The financial industry chugs along just fine despite approximately everybody using these drugs.

I’ve used cocaine regularly at social events since I was a teenager. The vast majority of people I know, whether they’re 25 or 65, will not say no when offered. In my whole life I’ve known two people from my circles to have developed an actual coke problem, and I know a lot of people.

At this point coke is just the cigarettes of the upper classes, but likely less harmful.

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2. Aurorn+io1[view] [source] 2025-12-05 20:53:06
>>wallet+(OP)
> Snorting adderall does not typically cause brain damage

"Brain damage" isn't a binary yes-or-no thing that happens to you.

It's not even clear that regular as-prescribed usage of amphetamine is without some harm potential. With regular doses and route of administration it's obviously limited or negligible, but someone insufflating (snorting) it routinely is exposing their brains to much higher concentrations and much faster onset.

Note that dopamine itself is toxic when metabolized normally, but your body is equipped to mostly handle that. Using drugs that disrupt dopamine flows in high doses can overwhelm the systems designed to keep dopamine metabolism from doing damage.

> Typical cocaine use also does not result in meaningful harm.

The works "typical" and "meaningful" are doing a lot of work here. One of my friend groups has a lot of ER nurses. They see a non-trivial number of people coming to the hospital from casual cocaine use. These cases are generally waved away as other conditions by drug users (e.g. heart attacks, etc) and therefore they don't "count" in some people's minds. Yet it's a common finding for them on blood workups for people, including young people, arriving with cardiovascular problems.

> The vast majority of people I know, whether they’re 25 or 65, will not say no when offered.

Significant drug users often don't realize how much of a bubble they're in. Also, the goalposts for having a drug problem tend to be moved around a lot when everyone you know is using drugs regularly. Typically, being unable to say no when offered a drug is a sign of having a problem.

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3. habine+Zh2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 04:08:47
>>Aurorn+io1
My "I do not have an actual coke problem" shirt is generating a lot of questions answered by my shirt.
4. AngryD+v04[view] [source] 2025-12-06 22:35:12
>>wallet+(OP)
Yeah, somehow despite everyone doing cocaine at even the highest positions for many decades without any real problems, and the plethora of medical research about the effects of cocaine and how minimal all its long term side effects are and how low addiction rates really are, all below common alcohol, people still act like cocaine is this super serious life-ruining drug. The only significant life-ruining part of cocaine is law enforcement's reaction to it, unless of course you have a lot of money in which case you can just pay to lawyer your way out of it.

The biggest danger to cocaine? Using cocaine to stave off the over-dose effects of other longer-lasting drugs, and then running out of cocaine before you run out of the other drugs and then dieing from alcohol poisoning or opiate over-dose. Cops and politicians will pretend cocaine killed those people, but anyone who knows jack shit about drugs or gets to see the actual toxicology report knows better.

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5. wallet+Fo5[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-07 15:47:10
>>Aurorn+io1
I think we can probably agree that people using cocaine at social events once or twice a week are generally not the problem users.

Similarly, I don’t think you could reasonably suggest that someone who has a couple of glasses of wine during such events has a drinking problem.

> Significant drug users often don't realize how much of a bubble they're in. Also, the goalposts for having a drug problem tend to be moved around a lot when everyone you know is using drugs regularly. Typically, being unable to say no when offered a drug is a sign of having a problem

Personally, I’d consider someone who uses cocaine on a daily basis to have a problem. I’d also like to suggest that it’s pretty hard to have a cocaine problem and not use cocaine on a daily basis.

OTOH, someone who infrequently shoots up cocaine probably isn’t addicted but would be engaging in some seriously risky behaviour unless they’re able to very precisely measure their dosage. I’ve never heard of anyone doing that though, it’s certainly not a common activity among the upper socioeconomic classes.

> The works "typical" and "meaningful" are doing a lot of work here. One of my friend groups has a lot of ER nurses. They see a non-trivial number of people coming to the hospital from casual cocaine use. These cases are generally waved away as other conditions by drug users (e.g. heart attacks, etc) and therefore they don't "count" in some people's minds. Yet it's a common finding for them on blood workups for people, including young people, arriving with cardiovascular problems

To my knowledge there exists no evidence that anything less than massive cocaine use could result in new cardiovascular issues. Of course it may trigger an existing condition, but someone who has a heart attack during normal casual use of cocaine would probably be prone to have one during exercise also. The stress on the heart from cocaine usage is not particularly different from fairly normal day-to-day activities of people who do not use cocaine.

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