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1. Sparkl+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-12-04 21:09:18
I don't see how getting 50% extra time on exams is anything remotely close to cheating. Almost nothing I do in my day to day job comes close to being as time-boxed or arbitrarily restrictive as exams were in college.
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2. loeg+L4[view] [source] 2025-12-04 21:33:55
>>Sparkl+(OP)
Why don't all students get the extra time, then?
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3. dctoed+l5[view] [source] 2025-12-04 21:37:52
>>Sparkl+(OP)
> Almost nothing I do in my day to day job comes close to being as time-boxed or arbitrarily restrictive as exams were in college.

An unpleasant fact of law-school faculty life is that, at least at my school, I'm required to grade students so that the average is between 3.2 (a high B) and 3.4 (a low B-plus). Because of the nature of my course [0], a timed final exam is about the only realistic way to spread out The Curve.

[0] https://toedtclassnotes.site44.com/Syllabus.html

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4. next_x+k6[view] [source] 2025-12-04 21:43:18
>>Sparkl+(OP)
Class rank is a primary factor for top law jobs open to new law school graduates. MCAT scores play a huge role in med school admissions. Etc.

Like it or not, there are life changing impacts to others by cheating at this stuff. This is unambiguously cheating.

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5. ghc+p7[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-04 21:48:44
>>loeg+L4
That's a great question, actually. Timing tests appears to arbitrarily punish students.
6. lingru+0j[view] [source] 2025-12-04 22:50:20
>>Sparkl+(OP)
What do you do for work?

I'm not aware of many jobs where employers don't care how fast the work gets done.

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7. devsda+pY[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 04:30:27
>>loeg+L4
If everybody gets extension, say a 2 hr test becomes 3 hrs, then eventually there will be someone who claims 3 hrs is the new normal time and still demand an extension over that.

It really depends on the perception of whether the goal of the extension is to give disabled students an edge over "normal" students or to give everyone a fair(not necessarily equal) opportunity to complete the test.

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8. will42+2n1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 09:00:14
>>loeg+L4
Doesn't satisfy the ADA. Department of Ed will sue and say that an accomodation given to everybody is no accomodation at all.
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9. lupire+xD3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 20:48:27
>>dctoed+l5
Give Everyone a 3.3

Have a random lottery for grades.

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10. lupire+VD3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 20:50:33
>>will42+2n1
Are you implying that if someone walks up a wheelchair ramp, then the building is violating the ADA?
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11. will42+gJ4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 06:52:39
>>lupire+VD3
No, of course not, that'd be ridiculous. Where did you see that in my post?

To explain in more detail. The ADA says that an accommodation is when an entity (business, employer, school) makes a change of behavior. Installing a wheelchair ramp in an older inaccessible building is an accomodation. Granting extra time is an accomodation. Simply having accessible buildings or excessive time is not an accomodation.

But why the lawyers treat it differently. Business feel comfortable, when they have a ramp, arguing that no accommodation is necessary for the wheelchair bound. The standards of accessible physical design are clear. Schools do not feel comfortable saying that no accommodation is necessary for mental health issues, ever. Their lawyers advise them that it's much better to give some sort of accomodation and argue in court about sufficient accomodations vs giving no accomodation at all.

12. gaws+Zt5[view] [source] 2025-12-06 15:43:50
>>Sparkl+(OP)
> I don't see how getting 50% extra time on exams is anything remotely close to cheating.

If you lie about having a disability to get extra time, you're falsely gaining an advantage over other students taking the same test. That's cheating.

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13. Manuel+7X5[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-06 19:35:40
>>will42+2n1
So it's not really an accommodation that's required by the ADA, but an advantage over the baseline?
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