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1. dunk01+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-12-04 20:04:42
The whole thrust of the article is complaining about timed tests and some kids getting more time. That's doubtless unfair if some are overclaiming, but the real solution is to not do timed tests at all - they are only serving to produce an arbitrary bell curve so that some can have higher grades and get better career opportunities. Better to not have a timer at all, and let people's actual ability shine.
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2. throwa+d2[view] [source] 2025-12-04 20:15:23
>>dunk01+(OP)
Realistically there has to be _some_ time limit. No one is going to sit in a room for 10 hours while you finish your test.
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3. dunk01+v5[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-04 20:28:18
>>throwa+d2
Sure. I doubt that if some test at the moment takes an hour then you're getting much extra benefit at the five hour mark. The whole point of the time compression is to spread the grades out - along an axis different to "competence".
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4. cluste+q7[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-04 20:37:35
>>throwa+d2
Why?

How strong is the argument that a student completing a test in 1 hour with the same score as a student who took 10 hours that the first student performed "better" or had a greater understanding of the material?

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5. throwa+Q9[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-04 20:50:01
>>cluste+q7
> Why?

Teachers have lives, including needing to eat and sleep.

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6. cluste+mf[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-04 21:15:50
>>throwa+Q9
Sure, but that answer doesn't address the questions of the value of time limits on assessment.

What if instead we are talking about a paper or project? Why isn't time-to-complete part of the grading rubric?

Do we penalize a student who takes 10 hours on a project vs the student who took 1 hour if the rubric gives a better grade to the student who took 10 hours?

Or assume teacher time isn't a factor - put two kids in a room with no devices to take an SAT test on paper. Both kids make perfect scores. You have no information on which student took longer. How are the two test takers different?

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7. cluste+ds[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-04 22:24:22
>>dunk01+v5
>whole point of the time compression is to spread the grades out

I suspect that is true for standardized tests like the SAT, ACT, or GRE.

I suspect in classroom environments that there isn't any intent at all on test timing other than most kids will be able to attempt most problems in the test time window. As far as I can tell, nobody cares much about spreading grades out at any level these days.

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8. throwa+F54[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-05 22:02:40
>>cluste+mf
Not arguing with any of that, just stating plainly that there are practical reasons for time limits and one of the many reasons is that tests are done supervised and thus must have _some_ sort of time limit. Everything else is you projecting an argument onto me that I didn't make.
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