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1. fatbir+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-11-19 20:41:00
I agree, and the blame for its weirdness can be laid directly at Larry Wall's feet, because Wall wanted a language that allowed for cleverness, suprise, and ingenuity. He was never happier than when someone would come up with a completely new way to do something. For Wall, programming was less about coding an outcome, than it was about speaking a particular language (and ideally, writing poetry in it). And it was very successful in this way, and fit reasonably well with the high-knowledge users/environment of unix in the 90s.

It's just that Wall's vision was incompatible with general purpose languages used widely by a wide range of knowledge and skill amongst its users, and as unix/linux opened up to that wider range, better general purpose alternatives were chosen. Having to learn to be a poet to be a good coder was too high a barrier.

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2. kubanc+Vi[view] [source] 2025-11-19 22:10:12
>>fatbir+(OP)
> Wall wanted a language that allowed for cleverness, suprise, and ingenuity. [...] Having to learn to be a poet to be a good coder was too high a barrier.

To me this just sounds, umm, pathologically eclectic.

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3. fatbir+uk[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-11-19 22:18:30
>>kubanc+Vi
Now extrapolate to "let's do a Perl 6 that allows us to do all the things I couldn't work into Perl 5" and a lot more history makes sense.
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4. __davi+pX[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-11-20 03:19:35
>>kubanc+Vi
But I bet you could really list some rubbish with it…
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