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Evanston orders Flock to remove reinstalled cameras

submitted by ptk+(OP) on 2025-09-26 03:51:16 | 411 points 260 comments
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4. jbotde+O7[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 05:16:02
>>JumpCr+V6
They don’t have a public list, but this blog post conveniently has a map of their locations: https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/introducing-law-enforcement...

Judging by the places they advertise, it’s mostly smaller cities/towns. I think the larger cities in the US tend to run their own cameras.

5. jbotde+l8[view] [source] 2025-09-26 05:21:59
>>ptk+(OP)
Additional info on the “pilot program” they took issue with: https://apnews.com/article/immigration-abortion-license-plat...
8. IlikeK+59[view] [source] 2025-09-26 05:27:37
>>ptk+(OP)
So Fun facts about digital cameras like these: Strong infrared leds at night blind them completely. They sometimes even switch into daymode and become useless at night. Also, lasers are usually not enough to destroy the ccd sensor but only cause small dots to appear[0]. But a Spraycan on a stick can be very effective and of course a silenced airgun for those hard to reach places can be very effective.

[0] Lab Test here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNWNQb2AvQM

12. fakeda+j9[view] [source] 2025-09-26 05:30:52
>>ptk+(OP)
https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/flock-safety
15. jbullo+Ta[view] [source] 2025-09-26 05:47:35
>>ptk+(OP)
There is a larger issue that other commenters are missing:

> The city has paid the first two years of that extension but would still owe $145,500 for the final three years if the contract is upheld. The city intends to terminate the contract on Sept. 26 under its notice to Flock, but the company is challenging that termination, and the dispute could escalate to litigation.

The city is trying to terminate a contract with Flock. Under that contract, the city agreed to pay Flock for three more years of service. Flock maintains that the city doesn't have the right to nullify the contract. The linked article says almost nothing about the contract dispute, but another article [1] has some details.

I don't know whether the city is correct about its power to terminate the contract, or whether instead Flock is correct. Either way, I wonder whether Flock is re-installing the cameras out of fear that, if it doesn't, it will be voiding its right to future payment under the contract.

[1] https://evanstonroundtable.com/2025/08/28/flock-challenges-c...

18. Orochi+tb[view] [source] 2025-09-26 05:54:03
>>ptk+(OP)
Relevant video about Flock's ALPRs

https://youtu.be/vWj26RIlN_I [18:56]

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29. thauma+xf[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 06:31:34
>>JumpCr+V6
The best you can get is https://deflock.me/map, which is crowd-sourced, and therefore both incomplete and inaccurate.

Cities tend to resist public records requests for camera locations.

But Flock is currently in ~5,000 communities around the country. They have managed to spread very quickly, and very quietly, and the public has only become aware of it relatively recently.

There is also a good site at https://eyesonflock.com/ that parses data from the transparency pages that some places publish.

39. sschue+Ij[view] [source] 2025-09-26 07:10:14
>>ptk+(OP)
https://deflock.me/
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47. ____mr+pl[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 07:24:13
>>serbuv+yj
> “Flock unlawfully made data collected within Evanston and the State of Illinois available to federal agencies,” Ruggie wrote, referencing the findings of Giannoulias’ audit. “This is not a procedural error; it is an intentional and unauthorized disclosure of protected data… Let it be absolutely clear: this breach is material, intentional, and cannot be cured. The City will not entertain remediation efforts or renegotiation.” [0]

I can't seem to access the audit in question [1] and there are connected articles that seem to also be talking about forest park police using camera readers. Whatever the case, there seems to be reasonable doubt in the trust in Flock Safety. I don't understand how an illegal termination of contract would result in anything other than Evanston having to pay out the remaining fees and maybe a cancellation fee.

[0] https://evanstonroundtable.com/2025/08/28/flock-challenges-c...

[1] https://www.ilsos.gov/news/2025/august-25-2025-giannoulias-a...

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73. pyrale+Lw[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 09:17:54
>>ocdtre+wd
> Flock has "fixed the issue"

Strong office space vibes in this one [1].

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUE0PPQI3is

78. me_vin+Cx[view] [source] 2025-09-26 09:26:39
>>ptk+(OP)
There was a YouTube video published about them yesterday - https://youtu.be/vWj26RIlN_I

It is really amazing how much power and impact private company can have on public.

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106. Cheer2+QI[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 11:22:55
>>potato+zB
https://deflock.me/map

Check your assumptions, the Bay Area and LA are littered with them. They're in Berkeley for fucks sake.

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111. throw0+oM[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 11:54:16
>>trhway+yv
> It isn't just USSR, it is the core Russian principle of "oprichnina" - you can violate any laws, human or God's, as long as you're serving the tzar, Secretary General or President Putin.

“For my friends everything, for my enemies the law.” — Oscar R. Benavides, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_R._Benavides

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124. Bender+dZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 13:22:43
>>sschue+Ij
Neat. There's only one city in my state that has these cameras. Its the wealthy blue city of Jackson Hole [1] that can't manage to fix potholes. I only pass through that place when taking someone to the airport. Curious if they were able to read my previous military plate which changes number every 5 years. Now I want to get one of these things to play with to see how it interprets my plate. I think I can see a flock on a pole in the live stream.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoUOrTJbIu4 [live camera, town square]

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129. segmon+f41[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 13:54:39
>>Animat+Ak
Yes you can, see this article

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/virginia-police-used-f...

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138. ThrowM+Te1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 14:52:15
>>potato+zB
>>Would be particularly interesting to see where they are in blue states

>The answer is going to be "the snooty inner ring suburbs and wealthy rural-ish commuter communities that already had overstaffed PDs harassing teenagers"

TFA is about Evanston, IL[0] which is in Cook County[1] and abuts the city of Chicago.

It is relatively wealthy, but is certainly not a "rural-ish commuter community," in fact it's not suburban either.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanston%2C_Illinois

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_County%2C_Illinois

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149. renewi+7B1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 16:52:45
>>stavro+Xv1
I think that just like Luigi Mangione acted against the law to do a thing that he wanted and lots of people think that's fine; you should be unsurprised that Flock is acting against the law to a do a thing that they want.

If you condone violation of the law, it will become commonplace. Acting like your violations of the law are fine but others' violations of the law aren't fine is a position you can take but considering that you're in the minority on both, I don't think it's going to result in anything. Sleep with the dogs, wake up with fleas.

EDIT: And I'll add some facts here and an example to my last statement here:

Luigi Mangione's act is a minority approved act actually https://archive.is/hXNhj

So about 18% approve of his act.

And no, in the US the will of the majority is not sufficient. There are damping influences on time-localized desires by design. A typical example might be that California's Proposition 8 banned gay marriage but was nonetheless struck down by the California Supreme Court. The will of the majority is not irrelevant but it is not paramount.

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167. toomuc+4V1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 18:55:37
>>tlavoi+8N1
It takes no longer than five minutes to cut through the poles used to hold this equipment up with a sawzall, when metal straps aren't used to attach it to existing infrastructure, I've been told.

https://deflock.me/

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174. toomuc+jZ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 19:23:16
>>thauma+xf
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/list/?q=Flock

https://www.404media.co/tag/flock/

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175. apwhee+r02[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 19:29:42
>>Animat+Ak
You might reach out to the folks at the Institute for Justice, they have written letters to the cities to get the cameras taken down in these scenarios, https://ij.org/press-release/victory-arkansas-city-moves-sur...
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197. patric+Dm2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 22:10:34
>>pjdesn+U71
And here I was about to post this completely unrelated link: https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Thermite
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199. gs17+an2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 22:16:08
>>toephu+OL1
> I would imagine the only people who don't like this are criminals

The problem is that the system doesn't only work on criminals, there's rarely enough oversight to prevent abuse, and it's only going to get more invasive. There's been case after case where cops use it to stalk their ex-girlfriends/ex-wives or similar, for example: https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article29105...

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201. patric+Op2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 22:37:04
>>camill+3h
No, no, that would be wrong. https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Thermite
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220. FireBe+AO2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-27 04:43:50
>>jkestn+3N2
>>44860000
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260. smcin+PCo[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-04 21:59:58
>>trhway+yv
"oprichnina" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprichnina
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