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AOSP project is coming to an end

submitted by kaladi+(OP) on 2025-06-12 05:27:41 | 274 points 130 comments
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2. zeech+02[view] [source] 2025-06-12 06:00:41
>>kaladi+(OP)
From https://calyxos.org/news/2025/06/11/android-16-plans/ -

> Google did not publish any device-specific source code for supported, modern Pixel devices.

> In previous years, Google released full device trees alongside new Android versions. This allowed developers to build and boot AOSP on Pixel hardware relatively easily.

> With Android 16, only the platform/framework code has been released. The device trees are missing, at least for now.

> This means AOSP 16 cannot currently be built or run on any recent Pixel device easily just using official source. It’s unclear whether this is a delay or a policy change. Either way, it seriously disrupts custom ROM development and our porting efforts.

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3. fc417f+p2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 06:05:48
>>ranger+q1
Which makes life more difficult for downstream projects. However the recent release didn't include the usual device-specific sources.

> This means AOSP 16 cannot currently be built or run on any recent Pixel device easily just using official source. It’s unclear whether this is a delay or a policy change. Either way, it seriously disrupts custom ROM development and our porting efforts.

https://calyxos.org/news/2025/06/11/android-16-plans/

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5. pzo+03[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 06:16:44
>>ranger+q1
seems not exactly true, they did release android 16 to AOSP but "Google did not publish any device-specific source code for supported, modern Pixel devices."

https://calyxos.org/news/2025/06/11/android-16-plans/

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7. flakin+a3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 06:21:29
>>charci+v2
FYI: https://source.android.com/docs/setup/about/faqs#android-lat...

> Google pushes the code for the next release to the latest public release branch and updates the android-latest-release manifest to point to that branch.

Along with https://source.android.com/docs/whatsnew/site-updates#aosp-c...

> The android-latest-release manifest is set to the latest AOSP release branch, android16-release

8. sebtro+d3[view] [source] 2025-06-12 06:22:32
>>kaladi+(OP)
As far as I understand this only concerns Google Pixel devices, and AOSP "coming to an end" is mostly speculation. Is this going to affect other manufacturers too, e.g. the Fairphone[1]?

[1] https://www.fairphone.com

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11. zeech+Z3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 06:32:13
>>pzo+53
GrapheneOS only supports Pixels due to their having superior security features [0]. Calyx supports Pixels as well as some newer Motos and the Fairphone 4 and 5 [1]. Lineage supports tons of devices [2].

LineageOS is the only one of the three that supports older hardware, but I'd recommend getting a previous-gen Pixel for the seven-year (at least) support cycle.

[0] https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

[1] https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/

[2] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

12. transp+N4[view] [source] 2025-06-12 06:43:16
>>kaladi+(OP)
Hopefully AOSP Pixel device support is merely delayed, not ended, since Pixel is the only way to get Debian Linux ("Terminal") VM + desktop mode support, >>43973395 .

With Apple's ongoing refusal to enable VM/JIT support on iOS and iPad, Google Pixel + GrapheneOS + Debian is a very competitive 2025 offering.

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33. throaw+m9[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 07:53:21
>>pzo+53
grapheneos is still going strong

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114661914197695338

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36. Aachen+I9[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 07:56:54
>>charci+M6
> (BSP) is the layer of software containing hardware-specific boot loaders, device drivers, in sometimes operating system kernels, and other routines

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_support_package presumably. Never heard that TLA in my life and it's not like I've not gotten my hands dirty in Android

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39. gioazz+7a[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 08:01:52
>>Aachen+u9
UTM is a Mac/iOS emulator and VM host

https://getutm.app/

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63. transp+Gf[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 09:06:25
>>jampek+ge
Apple shipped hypervisor support back in iOS 16, then removed it!

https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2024/07/25/0900

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64. transp+Dg[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 09:16:23
>>raffae+be
In an alternate universe, trade war and rare earth minerals shortage halts manufacturing of new iPhones, operating system updates become paid products and existing iPhones must implement the secure launch protocol that Asahi Linux uses on Apple Silicon, enabling AOSP for iPhones.

https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2025/06/03/2155

> Apple has dropped the ball so badly that Sky is like a perfect storm of what they could have done, but didn’t. And now, not only is it a third-party app that is doing what Apple should have done, but it is also doing it in a better way that anything they ever shipped.

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71. transp+ei[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 09:34:14
>>alerig+Ch
https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/2025/6/1.html

> For more than 90 percent of the billings and sales facilitated by the App Store ecosystem, developers did not pay any commission to Apple.

Would the remaining 10 percent of App Store sales have meaningful competition from a CLI (no GUI) terminal VM that enables development workflows on iPad?

73. ABS+Bj[view] [source] 2025-06-12 09:49:17
>>kaladi+(OP)
FWIW: Google says Android Open Source Project not being ‘discontinued’ amidst Pixel change impacting custom ROMs

https://9to5google.com/2025/06/12/android-open-source-projec...

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80. onli+Jl[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 10:16:24
>>alfied+Ek
I get the impression, yes. They still have a big list of supported devices, which means many maintainers, and they managed well to port their system to new android versions, even if a recent point release killed many devices. Have a look at https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/, or alternatively my ROM finder https://www.sustaphones.com/.

However, I personally switched to CalyxOS. I was a bit unhappy with LineageOS pushing users towards the Gapps, by blocking microG from working properly (they blocked signature spoofing, a problem during the pandemic) and by forbidding discussions about microG on their subreddit, together with forbidding to even talk about issues with VoLTE or anything that touches rooting the system. They course corrected only a little bit with the signature spoofing, but still project user hostility otherwise via those rules. CalyxOS gave me a more usable system out of the box, while having a bigger focus on security (locking the boot loader) and presenting the project nicer. Vastly less devices supported though, and if pixels go closed now the Calyx project would have to implement big changes, those were their main devices.

93. xnx+jr[view] [source] 2025-06-12 11:06:40
>>kaladi+(OP)
Not true.

From the Android VPN and GM: "We're seeing some speculation that AOSP is being discontinued. To be clear, AOSP is NOT going away. AOSP was built on the foundation of being an open platform for device implementations, SoC vendors, and instruction set architectures.

AOSP needs a reference target that is flexible, configurable, and affordable – independent of any particular hardware, including those from Google. For years, developers have been building Cuttlefish (available on GitHub as the reference device for AOSP) and GSI targets from source. We continue to make those available for testing and development purposes."

https://x.com/seangchau/status/1933029688202703062

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102. transp+Gy[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 12:00:16
>>edude0+cy
It was removed, >>44255512
112. nickbu+sR[view] [source] 2025-06-12 13:54:21
>>kaladi+(OP)
A more measured take: https://www.osnews.com/story/142553/rumour-google-intends-to...
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118. g-b-r+6Y[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 14:32:42
>>jacoop+bw
The Pixel 10 ought to have a TSMC SoC (https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-3470386)
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123. transp+r81[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 15:27:15
>>palata+tV
If the full sentence is referencing sales commission, then the fixed developer fee would not qualify, since it's not a percentage of revenue, https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/sales-c...

  Sales commission is the percentage of the value of a sale that a sales associate or sales representative may earn.
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125. edude0+YR1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-12 19:02:37
>>transp+Gy
Hypervisor yeah but it’s still possible for code in debug mode - there is even an app that automates the process for you https://github.com/osy/Jitterbug (requires a paid dev account)
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127. transp+CH2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-06-13 01:33:34
>>edude0+YR1
Thanks for the pointer. These are a bit worrying:

https://x.com/dontstealmacosy/status/1920875122690236509

https://x.com/khanhduytran0/status/1932322823336509673

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