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An end to all this prostate trouble?

submitted by bondar+(OP) on 2025-04-26 08:39:29 | 791 points 312 comments
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13. Traube+l9[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 10:51:10
>>cogman+29
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6678505/
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20. lostlo+va[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 11:04:01
>>Traube+L9
Older fathers increase the chance of autism, schizophrenia et al.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect

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28. Traube+Ya[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 11:09:21
>>ta1265+Ba
Daily use of cyalis (tadalafil) is officially marketed.

https://www.hims.com/blog/daily-cialis-costs-benefits

https://investor.lilly.com/news-releases/news-release-detail...

It's superior to taking it on an as-needed basis because it has positive long term effects on your cardiovascular and penile tissue.

76. tacon+8s[view] [source] 2025-04-26 13:55:18
>>bondar+(OP)
In February I happened to attend a lunch 'n learn presentation at TMCi by a company doing clinical trials based on exactly this venous insufficiency principle. I think I may have been the only one in the audience with gray hair... TMCi is the startup accelerator attached to the Texas Medical Center in Houston.

The startup company is Vivifi Medical[1] and they have clinical trials underway with ten men in a Central American country (El Salvador?). They claim that BPH reverses in a few months after their procedure. Their procedure uses a minimally invasive tool of their own invention to snip the vertical blood vessels that are backflowing from age and gravity, and splice them into some existing horizontal blood vessels. On their board of advisors is Dr. Billy Cohn[2], the wildly innovative heart surgeon who is famous for shopping for his medical device components at Home Depot. Dr. Cohn is on the team building the BiVACOR Total Artificial Heart. Vivifi presented their estimated timeline to FDA approval, with proposed general availability in 2028. My personal BPH will be at the head of the line for this procedure.

As far as a startup, their TAM is about 500 million men. I had the Urolift procedure for BPH three years ago, and it cost about $15K on the Medicare benefits statement, though Urolift's clips amounted to only a few thousand dollars. Similarly, Vivifi's charges for this procedure are only a few thousand dollars per procedure, but it holds the promise of being a final solution. Currently Urolift is much less disruptive than TURP, which needs a couple of days in the hospital and almost always leads to retrograde ejaculation (into the bladder).

[1] https://www.vivifimedical.com/

[2] https://www.texasheart.org/people/william-e-cohn/

85. svilen+Yt[view] [source] 2025-04-26 14:08:56
>>bondar+(OP)
So how the usual otherwise-harmless treatment with extract of Serenoa repens works? Seems even that is not clear - [1] is ~2011, [2] is 2024

it seemed to work for me, took it for few months, 10y+ ago. "Lasted" 8-9 years.. - until recently..

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3175703/

[2] https://wjmh.org/DOIx.php?id=10.5534/wjmh.230222

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88. astura+7v[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 14:17:32
>>tchock+ar
Kegel exercise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegel_exercise

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97. jasont+vz[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 14:45:30
>>smitty+Q7
> surface-to-air missile The one link I have at hand: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180228-00/?p=98...
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123. mannyc+jJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 15:58:38
>>waffle+Ce
<<Don't do Kegels while you urinate. Stopping your bladder from emptying could raise your risk of a bladder infection.>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/mens-health/in-...
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140. 011000+0V[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 17:22:09
>>inquir+Uy
Finasteride does seem to be able to cause some issues. It seems that DHT has many protective roles in the body and limiting it may cause problems: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7308241/
146. tpoach+7Y[view] [source] 2025-04-26 17:47:15
>>bondar+(OP)
I read this with great interest, because about a decade ago, I was convinced I had prostatitis (but NHS screwed the diagnostic process up - the GP didn't do a digital rectal exam because the ultrasound would be more diagnostic anyway, and the ultrasound scan was cancelled because the GP didn't do a digital rectal exam which was part of the criteria for going through with the scan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ), and ended up reading quite a bit about it, and how I might try to make things better for myself in the absence of antibiotics.

I ended up on this page which I no longer remember (something something prostatitis foundation maybe?), from which I remember two things.

The first was this turkish doctor, who against all advice was suggesting a "Brocolli juice therapy" as a prostatitis cure. Fast forward to 2025 and there's lots of studies supporting this. Anecdotally I tried this back then and it really helped the prostate pain I had at the time for months go away within a week.

The second, which is more relevant here, was this guy who had a very interesting hypothesis, that a lot of the prostate troubles are actually "musculoskeletal" in origin, and muscle imbalance / weakness of the iliopsoas muscles in particular. And that this imbalance affects venous return which "somehow" causes the condition. But he was just a lay person, and the "somehow" was unclear. So this completes that image perfectly. It's interesting that this article mentions the venous insufficiency link, and that veins rely on valves to direct flow, but doesn't mention the muscular link at all.

In any case, this person was saying that in his case, doing lots of iliopsoas stretching and exercises effectively 'fixed' his chronic prostatitis problems. So I've timidly started including a couple of iliopsoas stretching exercises before any workout I do. Anecdotally, I think it helps, but I can't know for sure. But thought I'd mention here in case someone shows interest or can make that link more solid.

PS. found the turkish doctor page (or at least a mirror of it): https://www.oocities.org/iastr/ebroc.htm

I wish I could find that comment about the iliopsoas ... but alas I think it's probably lost in the sands of time now.

UPDATE: Well what do you know. Found it: https://web.archive.org/web/20230203201759/https://prostatit...

(and https://web.archive.org/web/20230127101206/https://prostatit... more generally)

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154. abathu+e11[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 18:09:52
>>wkat42+Ct
This is an incorrect generalization from average life expectancies that include incredibly high infant/childhood mortality.

The life expectancy cited by Wikipedia for the paleolithic is around 39 additional years for those surviving to 15.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

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169. mtalan+E91[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 19:22:37
>>stavro+q41
I think people give the cue of stopping urination to help others find the muscles that you need to engage. Otherwise, yes, you absolutely can just do them any time you want. In yoga it’s called mula bandha [1]. You’re often instructed to engage it while practicing asana or pranayama. I even focus on engaging it when I’m out for a run or lifting weights.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandha_(yoga)#Mula_bandha

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178. aquafo+dk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 20:41:04
>>tushar+SF
I had a look at your trial description (https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06424912)

Are you planning to publish the longitudinal data, esp. of endpoints 2 and 3 (prostate size, urinary flow). It would greatly add to the public understanding of this procedure. Why didn't you go for PSA? It's easy to obtain altough one probably wouldn't expect significant changes in this short time frame.

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183. ameliu+Bq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 21:32:01
>>derekt+cL
If safety regulations are really such a high barrier, then explain why this passed them:

>>15834006

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186. inglor+jr1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 21:39:25
>>throwu+Wa
Evolution is still a thing at relatively short time periods.

Icelanders are a well-studied population when it comes to genetics. Frequency of some traits meaningfully changed among them in last 100 years.

Source: this book: https://www.amazon.de/dp/0198821263?ref_=pe_109184651_110380...

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205. pja+TB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-26 23:11:31
>>beguer+wy
Interestingly, daily masturbation appears to have a protective effect against developing prostate cancer, although no one knows why: https://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/ejaculation-prostate-c...
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214. ccakes+oJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-27 00:57:33
>>Spooky+Iv
If you’ve never stumbled across the older OkCupid blog posts or Christian Rudder’s book (Dataclysm[1]) then I can’t recommend them enough. Super interesting content delivered by a smart and engaging writer

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21480734-dataclysm

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215. ownlif+FJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-27 01:01:11
>>meindn+Kc
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2408423
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240. istjoh+8Z1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-27 05:02:59
>>fwip+IM1
This study found that an LLM outperformed doctors "on a standardized rubric of diagnostic performance based on differential diagnosis accuracy, appropriateness of supporting and opposing factors, and next diagnostic evaluation steps, validated and graded via blinded expert consensus."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

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278. GoatIn+6M2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-27 15:26:11
>>acyou+l32
Not to be antagonistic to your theory, I think you might find this alternative theory thought-provoking: https://osf.io/preprints/osf/smzc4_v1
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282. me_aga+WW2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-27 16:51:28
>>jbd0+yj
The grandmother hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandmother_hypothesis is reasonably well-established. The corresponding 'grandfather effect' has not really been demonstrated, as far as I know. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspb.2007...
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284. gwking+Z33[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-27 17:37:05
>>bccdee+Xw1
I merely saw the domain name 'yarchive' and had a strange inkling that there might be a connection. A quick search yielded this: https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/08/investigative-reports/t....

I have no opinion of unlimitedhangout.com or the veracity of that article. But in response to "I just find it strange", I'm beginning to associate this sort of intensely intellectual inquiry into disparate topics with equally intense political positions.

I was first introduced to Urbit as if it was a purely technical, humorous and extremely nerdy lark. It was a joke thing my friend got me to sign up for, to own a slice of an imaginary universe (in a quantity called a "frigate" or whatever it was). When I learned years later about how serious the worldview behind it was, I was quite shocked.

Since then, and especially since the NYT outing of Scott Alexander in 2020, I've become more attuned to the pattern. These hyper-analytical blogs often come with a lot of political implications below the surface.

Again, I'm not taking sides here. If anything, the takeaway for me is that the world is very complicated. We have these rare polymath personalities who go deep into topics, have a strong voice on the internet, and they end up with all sorts of valid criticisms of the status quo. This in turn can align with extreme political views.

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298. sahila+GK4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-28 11:40:09
>>aantix+da3
In case you missed it, there's a comment parallel to yours by the founder of the company. They also provide their email in a child comment to that. Link: >>43804502
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300. tpoach+Tq5[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-28 15:48:04
>>mixmas+OA3
There have been many studies since, which probably provide more evidence and detail. But this guy's current explanation at the time is provided in the link where it says "needs to be boiled" (https://www.oocities.org/iastr/eboil.htm)

Quoting from the linked page:

> WHAT IS THE REASON THAT WE MUST CONSUME BOILED BROCCOLI?

> Fresh broccoli (unboiled) contains some enzymes that must be deactivated. The simple way to deactivate these enzymes is to boil the broccoli in water for 5 minutes. After boiling for 5 minutes, the enzymes will become inactive. If these enzymes aren't deactivated, the broccoli cannot successfully treat those suffering from BPH, prostatitis, or general urinary tract infections.

> Broccoli contains very important compounds. These compounds can only treat those who are suffering from BPH or prostatitis when these enzymes are deactivated. If this is not done, the enzymes which broccoli contains start a different metabolic reaction so that the efficiency is reduced.

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