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Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

submitted by joseph+(OP) on 2025-03-26 18:01:51 | 320 points 223 comments
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12. sorami+yj[view] [source] 2025-03-26 19:34:20
>>joseph+(OP)
This really reminds me of Open Solaris.

> We will no longer distribute source code for the entirety of the Solaris operating system in real-time

In the case of Open Solaris, the code never came out from that point onwards. For Android, the likely end goal is to do the bare minimum of distributing only copyleft code that they don't own copyright to. Until those get replaced with a closed alternative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2482s

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20. Egregi+ep[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 19:59:18
>>rchaud+Yj
They are shutting their app store down, at least for non-first-party devices: https://www.androidpolice.com/amazon-android-app-store-shut-...
22. bsimps+Tp[view] [source] 2025-03-26 20:01:26
>>joseph+(OP)
Both The Verge and 9to5 are citing this as the original source:

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-android-development-...

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31. fmajid+Jr[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 20:08:25
>>EGreg+5r
Yes: https://illumos.org/
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64. lern_t+UD[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 21:17:20
>>ironma+X6
I don't understand the difference between what is described in the article and how Android has been developed from the start. They have always developed new versions internally and then dumped into AOSP right before release. https://groups.google.com/g/android-building/c/T4XZJCZnqF8/m...
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75. kop316+fF[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 21:24:56
>>andrew+Ot
Here you go: https://mobian-project.org/

postmarketOS is based on Alpine Linux: https://postmarketos.org/

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82. fweime+MH[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 21:37:07
>>microt+Hm
Parts are GPLv2 with Classpath exception:

https://cs.android.com/android/platform/superproject/main/+/...

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91. gman83+AK[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 21:52:13
>>joketh+RG
Whenever they do these blind tests for different phone cameras, the iPhone never wins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRoTOE3FqT0
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95. gman83+RL[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 21:59:27
>>onlyre+Wp
The plan was initially to merge Android & Chrome and create "Andromeda" - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/android-chrome-andro...

Then they decided that Fuchsia was going to be the way forward - https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/android/117587/google-allege...

Now the latest is that they're once again merging Android & Chrome - https://www.androidauthority.com/chrome-os-becoming-android-...

But Fuchsia is still being actively developed, not sure to what end - https://fuchsia-review.googlesource.com/q/status:open+-is:wi...

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97. NBJack+4M[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 22:00:30
>>omnimu+FI
Outside the US, and a handful of other countries, Android is far more dominant than iOS (75% vs 25%). [1]

WhatsApp has an estimated active userbase of approximately 3 billion. [2] The number of iMessage users is estimated to be about 1 billion. [3]

[1] https://explodingtopics.com/blog/iphone-android-users#iphone...

[2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1306022/whatsapp-global-...

[3] https://usesignhouse.com/blog/imessage-stats/#:~:text=iMessa...

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115. parlia+TP[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 22:23:44
>>reacto+GO
It's not going to be possible because Apple hasn't come out with an equivalent to Gemini. It would be like if Siri also had full LLM conversation capabilities, and access to all your documents/email/etc, and direct integration to run web searches, analyze web pages, etc. And it's fast enough to have a real-time conversation[1], as if you were speaking to a human on the phone. Oh, and that's on my Pixel 7, which is two years behind.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ks21fpjH9M

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120. jbarha+TQ[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 22:30:19
>>beAbU+uL
According to https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma... iPhone also has > 50% market share in Canada, Norway, Sweden, Australia and Japan. FWIW I live in Australia and most group chats are via WhatsApp vs SMS/iMessage.
126. WorldP+tT[view] [source] 2025-03-26 22:50:01
>>joseph+(OP)
I bet they'll regret turning their back on grapheneOS https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114230671644378529
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134. achier+aV[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 23:01:57
>>llarss+6n
Discussion on the GrapheneOS forum: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/21231-google-will-develop-t...
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135. em3rge+PV[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 23:08:10
>>kop316+fF
Still there is yet to be a device that is completely supported, see the following section which is currently empty:

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Main

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138. tripdo+kW[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 23:10:48
>>IshKeb+Jd
A classic Ars story I always like linking in discussions like these: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...
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144. em3rge+1Y[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 23:21:00
>>shmerl+TU
That's what https://plasma-mobile.org is supposed to be.

But the problem is there is yet to be a single device that has every hardware feature working %100...see https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Main

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146. delite+aY[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-26 23:22:06
>>Krssst+MW
You can enable reduce motion[1] which effectively replaces all transitions with a brief fade.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/guide/iphone/iph0b691d3ed/io...

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171. OneDeu+Sa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-27 01:16:50
>>g-b-r+uG
Play Integrity and Attestation are distinctly different things. Attestation is a far better solution as it's not literally controlled by Google like the Play Integrity API is.

GrapheneOS actually explicitly pushes for services to switch away from Play Integrity API or SafetyNet API towards the Android Attestation API for that reason.

https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...

And notably, long term if Google becomes an unreliable maintainer for Android, the other major Android providers are likely to coordinate a list of "approved signing keys" so that apps can use those with the standard Android HW Attestation API.

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189. Happil+pL1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-03-27 09:23:07
>>llarss+6n
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114230629374651118

> not much will change overall. It's a major step in the wrong direction but without a large direct impact on us

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