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The world of tomorrow

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7. 082349+4Qc[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-12 23:33:09
>>underl+VLc
a view from a generation earlier: >>39084117

Re: Ghost in the Shell, I find it amusing that Gibson's 1984 opening line: "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." used to mean grey, but now could mean bright blue (or even black?) due to the march of progress...

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14. 082349+GVc[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 00:31:36
>>AIorNo+PTc
> now personalized with GenAI

Has Philip K Dick called the 21st century better than Asimov or Clarke? https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7444685-the-door-refused-to...

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20. TeMPOr+d2d[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 01:44:12
>>Dennis+TTc
> For cars the US does have Tesla (...) We also have (...) a pretty great rocket company

And yet you all wish you didn't. Well, maybe not everyone, but it's the dominant view.

This brings back a memory of a HN comment from a little over a decade ago:

>>7885128

I'll just quote it in full:

<quote cite='natural219'>

If you want to track the death of the cultural vision of Silicon Valley -- the belief that some people, at least, can rise above petty human squabbling and competition and are legitimately working to better humanity -- look no further than this thread. Every top comment is a skeptical one. "This is clearly a great PR move, but has no teeth." "How do you enforce this guarantee?" Etc.

These are reasonable questions, but as Shaw said, all progress comes from unreasonable men. I cannot help but be fundamentally depressed as I read these comments. In my view, Elon Musk has, moreso than any other human except maybe Bill Gates, given every absolute inch of human effort and genius to fight to solve the world's biggest problems. And all we have for him, after benefiting freely from the fruit of his labor, is skepticism. We want more. It's not enough. It's never enough.

Yes, Tesla Motors is a company operating in a media-hyped 2014 America. I know some of you are butthurt that he engages in the same "dishonest" PR tactics that other companies do. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. The end product he's producing will save humanity. That all of America has not rallied behind Musk and Tesla as the most important movement and achievement in the last 100 years of human history absolutely blows my mind.

Not only do we not recognize his goals or his achievements, we actively try and bring him down and shit on his accomplishments. "Well, they invented a pretty cool electric motor, sure, but they were kind of dishonest in that one press release that one time."

Go fuck yourself.

I want to say "I'm done with Hacker News", but we know that's not true. I'm supremely disappointed in all of you. Godspeed, Musk. I thought this was a great announcement, and I'm behind you 100%. I just hope you can finish your work before our shitty, myopic, destructive society tears you down. Here's to faith.

</quote>

Elon Musk may have changed for the worse since then, but nowhere near as much and as fast as our "shitty, myopic, destructive society", and in particular the Internet commentariat.

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31. gessha+Z9d[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 03:41:57
>>Superm+yIc
“We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings.” Ursula Le Guin

https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/ursulakleguinnatio...

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33. Animat+4ed[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 04:51:32
>>TeMPOr+d2d
> Elon Musk may have changed for the worse since then

The drug use became known in 2017, and it seems to be getting worse.[1]

The timeline of Tesla shows the successful innovation happening before then.[2] Then bad stuff started happening.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e...

[2] https://www.thestreet.com/technology/history-of-tesla-150889...

37. Sharli+Nod[view] [source] 2024-12-13 07:40:18
>>diodor+(OP)
Earlier submission with some comments: https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-world-of-tomorrow/

Also, obligatory meta complaint: the site seems to break trackpad forward/back gestures at least on Firefox :/

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40. GoatOf+Ppd[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 07:54:01
>>Sharli+Nod
That URL goes to the essay itself. Here's an earlier submission with comments: >>42355160
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49. cassia+vtd[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 08:45:40
>>avmich+iid
This series might give you some insights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfXbyQ9KFdg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeDA8hwQ3Fo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX-EgbauuOo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8fBqRa2NLQ

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53. circle+1Cd[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 10:40:48
>>lkbm+l6d
Just an illustration of this https://www.statista.com/statistics/1341003/poverty-rate-wor...

"nearly 38 percent of the world's population lived on less than 2.15 U.S. dollars in terms of 2017 Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 1990, this had fallen to 8.7 percent in 2022"

59. 0xDEAF+WJd[view] [source] 2024-12-13 12:40:31
>>diodor+(OP)
I read this blog post the other day about the hedonic treadmill that influenced my thinking a lot:

https://www.optimallyirrational.com/p/the-aim-of-maximising-...

Consider this 1940s ad for a "house that runs like magic", powered by gas:

https://wip.gatspress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AGAAd-1...

I'm already living this dream life from the 1940s. I have a range, a refrigerator, "permanent hot springs", heating, and air conditioning.

I've had that stuff all my life. It's normal for me. I don't appreciate it.

Perhaps in addition to Progress Studies, we need some sort of neo-mindfulness gratitude journaling movement, focused on appreciating all of the awesome technology that's already widespread.

People demonstrate sophistication by explaining why things suck. It's not cool or fashionable to dwell on life's simple pleasures. Perhaps it's time to take a bold stand for naivete. https://xkcd.com/606/

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60. kevind+fKd[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 12:43:51
>>ben_w+6vd
When Motorola was acquired, a plant was purchased (a formerly Nokia one in Fort Worth, Texas) and the Moto X line was made in the US [0].

It was a short-lived experiment. Motorola was sold to Lenovo, and the plant shut down, within a few years.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2013/9/11/4717796/made-in-america-a...

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77. Animat+JAe[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 18:57:13
>>kevind+fKd
Early cell phone manufacturing was more automated than it is now. The "brick" type phones (Nokia, etc.) were a stack of boards with cutouts for the thick components. The whole stack was squeezed together and sometimes riveted. So the internals were well-supported and very tough.

That kind of assembly could be totally automated. Pick and place to make the boards, stack and rivet to put it together.

Modern phones have little pieces and wires all over the place.[1] You'd think these things would be designed for automated assembly, but they're not.

[1] https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/2020/11/15/part-2-ifixit-iphon...

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90. 082349+67f[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 23:20:44
>>underl+IQe
The interesting thing about Disco Demolition Day is how localised (to North America?) that backlash seems to have been; I didn't get over here to Europe until this century, but as far as I can tell disco never "died" here.

Good point: Timothy Leary was moving in cyberpunkish circles shortly before his death, and my only IRL interaction with John McCarthy was at a cyberdelic-influenced party in a Bay Area tract house.

What a long strange surf it's been.

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgR6UNeQxXEv

(see also >>41826083 )

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95. 0xDEAF+rkf[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-14 02:10:33
>>evrimo+rNd
You might be interested in https://www.givedirectly.org/
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98. saturn+azf[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-14 06:07:03
>>Animat+nIc
>The US can't even make a smartphone any more.

Well they are trying. Purism has a "Made in America" phone: the Liberty Phone.

https://puri.sm/products/liberty-phone/

Why do you think cars are leaving the US? Tesla is a fully American manufacturer with some of the most US sourced components, GM/Ford aren't moving their cash cows out of the country anytime soon. and the Japanese and Germans are expanding their presence in the US. You cited a long declining brand that has had an agism problem. Thats your best evidence? I guess you can make the argument that there are too many brands in the car industry but the car manufacturing sector in the US is still quite strong.

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99. Veserv+lLf[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-14 09:25:17
>>TeMPOr+d2d
You do realize the Tesla "patent pledge" [1] is one of the most unfair, unethical, and downright despicable legal contracts to ever attempt to cynically claim the moral high ground?

To conform to it you must not have:

"asserted, helped others assert or had a financial stake in any assertion of (i) any patent or other intellectual property right against Tesla or (ii) any patent right against a third party for its use of technologies relating to electric vehicles or related equipment;"

In case you do not understand, Tesla is stating that for Tesla to not assert patent rights, you must not assert patent and copyright and trademark rights against Tesla as seen by the inclusion of "or any other intellectual property right" beyond the statement of just "any patent...right". This is a exclusive and intentional carveout for Tesla in particular as explicitly identified in (i). All other parties are governed by (ii) which only states you must not assert applicable patent, and only patent, rights against non-Tesla parties.

They then make double plus sure that it is clear that Tesla is uniquely allowed to assert their copyright and trademark rights against you as seen by the third clause:

"marketed or sold any knock-off product (e.g., a product created by imitating or copying the design or appearance of a Tesla product or which suggests an association with or endorsement by Tesla) or provided any material assistance to another party doing so."

To gain access to Tesla patents, you must give Tesla access to your patents, copyrights, and trademarks. The sheer audacity to call that a "patent pledge" is astounding. No person with even a cursory knowledge of law and contracts, as required for any business executive, could mistake it. As such, it can only be a deliberate and intentional deception in a attempt to launder credibility by aping the name. It is truly unfortunate that it seems to work on people such as yourself.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pled...

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102. yorwba+Zkg[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-14 16:23:39
>>Jambal+scg
Sure, the value of housing has gone up a lot since 2004 (about 2.5×) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOGZ1FL155035013Q

What people actually pay for it, though, in terms of mortgage payments as a share of income, is at basically the same level (6%) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MDSP

As long as people buy houses on credit, high house prices only reflect that mortgages are cheap.

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104. PaulDa+cqg[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-14 17:26:01
>>TeMPOr+DXf
Fair, but see also my comment: >>42418281
106. cyber_+kwg[view] [source] 2024-12-14 18:42:22
>>diodor+(OP)
Related reading: "Of Flying Cars and the Declining Rate of Profit" by David Graeber:

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/of-flying-cars-and-the-declini...

108. CatWCh+7xg[view] [source] 2024-12-14 18:49:57
>>diodor+(OP)
Tomorrow is hell.

https://collapsetastic.substack.com/p/the-endgame

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109. mitchb+Tyg[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-14 19:08:22
>>cyber_+kwg
https://archive.ph/2024.08.26-162159/https://thebaffler.com/...
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113. mike_h+xyh[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-15 10:15:35
>>TeMPOr+g1d
Star Trek TNG had a very singular kind of optimism though; it was presented as optimistic and that everything was wonderful, but if you examined it more closely it started to look kind of unappealing or even dystopian.

https://blog.plan99.net/i-want-to-see-a-libertarian-star-tre...

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124. araes+pji[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-15 19:57:04
>>082349+4Qc
> used to mean grey, but now could mean bright blue (or even black?) due to the march of progress...

Issues (and maybe possibilities) about reading works out of context and time. There's often a need / tendency to place those ideas relative to your own.

On the issues: Downloaded and started looking through Etymologiae by Isidore of Seville (c. 560–636, Catholic Patron Saint of Computers and Internet). [1] The striking part reading through the later year discussions and critique though was how often writers needed to place their own later meaning and rearview criticism on an archival encyclopedist from ~1300-1400 years ago.

  > an encyclopedia of all human knowledge, glossed with his own derivations of the technical terms relevant to the topic in hand. Derivations apart, it was lifted from sources almost entirely at second or third hand ..., none of it checked, and much of it unconditional eyewash – the internet, in other words, to a T.
  > His reductions and compilations did indeed transmit ancient learning, but Isidore, who often relied on scholia and earlier compilations, is often simplistic scientifically and philosophically, especially compared to .. figures such as Ambrose and Augustine.
Except that wasn't the point. He was creating an encyclopedia. Isidore quotes from around 475 works from over 200 authors in his works, including those outside the Etymologiae. Several of the works quoted would have never survived or even been known about without Isidore's efforts. The goal (opinion) was preserving the knowledge. He wrote what was there, and 1300-1400 years later there's a criticism that he only gathered 475 works and didn't find first hand sources for every account?

On the maybe possibilities: Neuromancer's pretty great. In the first paragraph you're already transported to another world:

  > “It’s not like I’m using,” Case heard someone say, as he shouldered his way through the crowd around the door of the Chat. “It’s like my body’s developed this massive drug deficiency.” It was a Sprawl voice and a Sprawl joke.  The Chatsubo was a bar for professional expatriates; you could drink there for a week and never hear two words in Japanese. [2]
On the opening line in 2024: could mean grey, could mean static, could mean blue, could mean black, could mean a screen saver. Could mean some future unknown "television" from the land of headjacks, AR web topologies, and xeno-sentient entertainment. Even 40 years later the meaning is already changed in reading based on the readers state, and the reader's prior experiences. And because it was a future-tech, cyperpunk image of a world yet to be, was it really meant to be a 1980's television sky?

By the third paragraph Gibson's already discussion "antique" seven-function force-feedback manipulator Russian military prosthesis' and who invented nerve-splicing beneath the towering hologram logo of the Fuji Electric Company.

[1] Etymologiae, WP, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymologiae

[2] Neuromancer, Ch 1, penguinrandomhouse.ca, https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/293994/neuromancer-b...

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