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Boeing ends crippling strike as workers accept latest offer

submitted by toomuc+(OP) on 2024-11-05 15:34:12 | 57 points 111 comments
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1. toomuc+1[view] [source] 2024-11-05 15:34:12
>>toomuc+(OP)
https://archive.today/YWHmq
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4. toomuc+x4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-11-05 16:02:29
>>bright+M3
Nah, Boeing management and shareholder comp crippled the org on its own just fine. Getting rid of pensions is what enabled more comp to go to these folks. "401k experiment failure" are the keywords you can search for on the topic.

Are we going to claw back all the comp and shareholder returns from the folks who stole from Boeing while it went down the drain? No, we'll just say that's the cost, even though it is obvious that is what crippled the org. "Pensions are absolutely crippling" while orgs are strip mined in plain site, with a noticeable lack of hand ringing over said strip mining.

https://www.epi.org/publication/retirement-in-america/

https://www.pionline.com/defined-contribution/401k-experimen...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/magazine/401k-retirement-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/retirement/great-401-k-expe...

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12. toomuc+D7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-11-05 16:19:00
>>spywar+o7
You require the company to fund a pension held at a custodian. If the company goes bust, your pension benefits are not impacted. Importantly, the retirement contributions are on top of your wages, versus being expected to find the cash for retirement exposure out of your own wages such that a 401k requires.

Australia's system is a model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia

35. tareqa+Jb[view] [source] 2024-11-05 16:42:03
>>toomuc+(OP)
Same story from the Associated Press: https://apnews.com/article/boeing-contract-vote-strike-machi...
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66. carabi+rh[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-11-05 17:11:20
>>pixela+y3
https://www.boeingbenefits.com/employee/emp-retirement.html

Regular nonunion employees get 10% match, immediately vested.

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71. johnny+ij[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-11-05 17:25:32
>>selimt+eh
The bad news: the government stepped in and ruled the strike illegal. So horrible PR. December 2nd, 2022: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-r...

They did get a pay raise, but the main issue was over paid sick days and this was denied.

My only small sympathy is that this was still at the tail end of the pandemic. So the strike could have legitimately made things really bad and accelerated a recession.

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Good news: There were still negotiations, and mid-february 2023 a few unions announces a deal that would give them 4 sick days + 3 personal days to convert to sick days. They apparently credit the senate for putting pressure on the railroads to allow this.

So despite calling off the strikes, there was essentially more negotiations behind the scene to prevent long term damages to morale (i.e. workers simply retiring early or otherwise leaving the industry).

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73. lesuor+Fj[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-11-05 17:29:01
>>Manuel+si
But OP's point is that the 200k a year person could instead negotiate a 100k salary with an additional 100k into the 401k (by the employer) and that would be allowed.

Edit: Although it does appear there is a cap to the employer's contribution ($69,000 for 2024 [1]). But I think the general point still stands, why bother to have employer and employee limits.

[1]: https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employ...

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81. FireBe+Lo[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-11-05 18:07:27
>>legits+Lf
There's always a way:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1143872/paypal-found...

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