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Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

submitted by Jaruze+(OP) on 2024-06-07 09:36:48 | 196 points 129 comments
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3. imglor+jt[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-07 13:55:41
>>baldr3+Cs
More than one evidently.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Hitler+portrait+by+Heinrich+Knirr&...

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6. lgessl+gw[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-07 14:11:10
>>Dr_Bir+Zt
A division of the NIH (NCBI) maintains a repository of open access publications in life sciences called PubMed Central (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubMed_Central) and this article was in a qualifying journal.
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10. zoomab+yA[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-07 14:39:05
>>Dr_Bir+Zt
Syndactyly is a medical condition; paintings seemingly display this as being more prevalent than reported in medical records of the time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndactyly

16. ffhhj+vD[view] [source] 2024-06-07 15:01:17
>>Jaruze+(OP)
The knife in the hand and the knife-like hand:

https://cdn.kastatic.org/ka-perseus-images/82e1c6954dc87273a...

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29. ggaugh+xJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-07 15:44:37
>>wmanle+mA
https://www.justnerd.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Ali-G-Sac...
33. hamash+5K[view] [source] 2024-06-07 15:48:03
>>Jaruze+(OP)
This reminds me of Korea's progressive feminist hand gesture [0]. For some reason, a video about Korea's gender war [1] ended up in my YouTube recommendation and somehow I decided to watch the 47-minute video (and another 110 minutes for part 2)...

Basically, aggressive feminist groups use a hand gesture as a disrespect against men (or misogynists), but the gesture is so general and anti-feminism is so large in Korea, that a lot of people mistook the otherwise normal picture in anime/games as a hidden attack against men. It caused riots and several people lost their jobs or sometimes the entire projects/companies went down.

I think it's not a good idea to associate a very natural gesture with horrible intentions...

[0] https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/02/business/south-korea-busi... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Im4YAMWK74

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37. flir+xP[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-07 16:22:07
>>hamash+5K
> I think it's not a good idea to associate a very natural gesture with horrible intentions...

I imagine it's a very good idea, if you have horrible intentions.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ok-sign-wh...

48. antogn+AX[view] [source] 2024-06-07 17:08:10
>>Jaruze+(OP)
Another hand gesture you will frequently see in religious art is a figure (usually a Pope or bishop) pointing upwards with their index and middle finger. This is somewhat unnatural since you would generally point with your index finger alone. The use of two fingers represents the divine and human natures of Christ.

A few examples:

https://i2.wp.com/catholicism.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/fil...

https://jimmyakin.com/wp-content/uploads/st-augustine-and-fo...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_VIII#/media/File%...

It shows up in formal photographs of the Pope in the 20th century:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ch3pBw3dBY0/WeG5Oo9_k1I/AAAAAAAAC...

And the TV series The Young Pope even included this gesture as a detail: https://youngpopesart.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/...

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53. runjak+B11[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-07 17:32:56
>>flir+JI
Link to the logic puzzle that flir is referring to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_and_Knaves

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56. Dig1t+t71[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-07 18:06:52
>>flir+xP
This entire thing is a hoax.

> It has become an extremist meme, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

The ADL maintains a "glossary" of every random meme and inside joke from 4chan and claims that they are all somehow connected with Nazis.

The ADL itself is in fact considered a hate organization by many people.

>Under the guise of fighting hate speech, the ADL has a long history of wielding its moral authority to attack Arabs, blacks, and queers.

https://droptheadl.org

https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/emmaia-gelman-anti-def...

64. bakul+ao1[view] [source] 2024-06-07 19:51:31
>>Jaruze+(OP)
Note that "mudras" have significant meanings in Hinduism, Jainism & Buddhism. Mudras used in Indian dances convey feelings or elements of story etc. Also used in yoga. And mudras are not just hand gestures but also facial expressions, eye movements and so on.

Though there does not seem to be any connection of mudras with European paintings. There were cultural links between India and the Greco-Roman world in 2nd-1st century BCE around the time of Indo-Greek kingdom (northwest of the current India) but seems unlikely that would have such an influence centuries later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudra

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67. vlark+Nq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-07 20:06:21
>>lgessl+gw
Specifically, this journal: https://mattioli1885journals.com/index.php/actabiomedica
71. DonHop+OC1[view] [source] 2024-06-07 21:29:19
>>Jaruze+(OP)
One of my aspirational hobbies is designing Apple Vision Pro games and interfaces that trick people into unwittingly making embarrassing hand gestures in public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsGnqf3CUW8

81. ldjb+2S1[view] [source] 2024-06-07 23:56:31
>>Jaruze+(OP)
400 years later, this mysterious hand gesture would resurface in the character designs of Capcom's Mega Man / Rockman series of video games.

https://themmnetwork.com/2010/03/18/the-great-mega-man-finge...

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84. labste+UT1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-08 00:19:13
>>NoMore+OQ
The last time the government found out about the Masonic Police, the leader mysteriously died right before trial and the other charges were swept under the rug. I definitely wouldn’t mess with those guys.

https://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-fraternal-police-2...

90. Daub+Xb2[view] [source] 2024-06-08 04:47:30
>>Jaruze+(OP)
My favorite secret hand gesture in a painting is in the portrait of the Duchess of Alba by Goya. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Francisco-de-Goya-Duches...

The text on the floor that she is pointing to reads 'solo Goya' (only Goya) and was not discovered until the painting was cleaned in modern times.

As to it's significance, draw your own conclusions.

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92. pulkit+ff2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-08 05:48:08
>>antogn+AX
If you have played Elden Ring, There is an amazing video on the "two fingers" and "three fingers" by "The Tarnished Archaeologist" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hETam732CvY
94. Lammy+eg2[view] [source] 2024-06-08 06:05:36
>>Jaruze+(OP)
> It is an unnatural position of one or both hands in which the third and fourth digits are held tight together, as if almost fused, resembling syndactyly, and the second and fifth fingers are separated from the central ones.

My favorite example is in the Flammarion engraving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving

96. shrx+di2[view] [source] 2024-06-08 06:40:09
>>Jaruze+(OP)
The famous Arnolfini Portrait [0] by Jan van Eyck also has quite a bit of symbolism depicted in the hands of the portrait subjects.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnolfini_Portrait#Interpretat...

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102. 082349+6q2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-08 08:47:46
>>ffhhj+vD
Plot twist: those pieces of silver were planted by the Romans...

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lngmx0v3aOs&t=25s

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109. defros+mF2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-08 12:42:28
>>betand+tE2
A great deal of hand talking is suprisingly universal | understood quickly enogh on opposite sides of the globe, almost all hunter gatherers have finger talk and share common enough base despite seperate regions.

eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuhhn-GSejs

114. tocs3+cQ2[view] [source] 2024-06-08 14:42:34
>>Jaruze+(OP)
Was not sure but had to look up a definition. "Syndactyly is a condition wherein two or more digits are fused together."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndactyly

I thought maybe it was some sort of condition that caused finger to contract like that.

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128. lkdfjl+dZ4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-06-09 17:42:09
>>guerri+uS2
update: There's a wikipedia page for this. Because of _course_ there is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_male_speech

The guy at 4:04 articulates exactly the same idea as I did above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkm0rmigGOw

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