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Amazon's Ring to stop letting police request doorbell video from users

submitted by nickth+(OP) on 2024-01-24 16:39:12 | 87 points 141 comments
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1. toomuc+E4[view] [source] 2024-01-24 17:01:52
>>nickth+(OP)
https://archive.today/bSN6Z
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2. neom+R5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-24 17:07:30
>>toomuc+E4
Adding in company blog post in case anyone else is interested:

https://blog.ring.com/about-ring/ring-announces-new-neighbor...

29. FriedP+fc[view] [source] 2024-01-24 17:38:54
>>nickth+(OP)
Ring offers video end-to-end-encryption (E2EE) on at least some devices, in which case they can't access the footage even if they want to (short of sneaking it out of the app post decryption). I hope they'll find ways to support more features when E2EE is enabled over time.

https://ring.com/support/articles/7e3lk/Understanding-Video-...

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50. gh02t+Xf[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-24 17:53:20
>>Comman+me
Short answer is no. It's been a while since I last looked at it but the long answer is "kinda in a hacky way, with a lot of work, and Ring is gonna fight you the whole way because they want you to pay."

Example: https://github.com/tsightler/ring-mqtt-ha-addon

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70. ceejay+oj[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-24 18:07:19
>>MPSimm+9e
Ooof.

https://www.theverge.com/23573362/anker-eufy-security-camera...

> First, Anker told us it was impossible. Then, it covered its tracks. It repeatedly deflected while utterly ignoring our emails. So shortly before Christmas, we gave the company an ultimatum: if Anker wouldn’t answer why its supposedly always-encrypted Eufy cameras were producing unencrypted streams — among other questions — we would publish a story about the company’s lack of answers.

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104. aspenm+EA[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-24 19:34:13
>>RobRiv+yz
That was on my reading list for one of my classes at CCSF. There’s a hidden treasure of amazing instructors at that community college, though it is or was the largest community college in the world by number of students.

I’m not sure what it says about the state of the world or about me that I’m already familiar with all of these things, but I do sincerely appreciate you for taking the time to share them with the rest of the class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_College_of_San_Francisco

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113. Scion9+2R[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-24 21:09:12
>>Spivak+fl
Yep, but apparently SCOTUS doesn't dispute that fallacy:

https://www.aclu.org/cases/moore-v-united-states

https://www.aclum.org/en/press-releases/us-supreme-court-dec...

In the case, Moore v. United States, federal agents, without a warrant, surreptitiously installed a small surveillance camera near the top of a utility pole in a Springfield, Massachusetts neighborhood and used it to record the activities at and around a private home over an uninterrupted eight-month period. Agents could watch the camera’s feed in real time, and remotely pan, tilt, and zoom close enough to read license plates and see faces. They could also review a searchable, digitized record of this footage at their convenience. The camera captured every coming and going of the home’s residents and their guests over eight months, what they carried with them when they came and went, their activities in the home’s driveway and yard, and more.

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129. philwe+fX1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-25 06:45:56
>>sandwo+0e
If the cops are asking, it means they need your permission and you have the right to say no. They might be dicks about it but if they’re asking, you can say no. Conversely if they don’t need your permission, they won’t bother asking. And you can always verbally tell them you don’t consent to searches; you only really get in trouble for physically interfering.

Also, companies in particular have lawyers whose entire full time job is to know when to tell the government to “stuff it” (though usually in much classier terms). Apple famously did this with the FBI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple–FBI_encryption_dispute

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