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Amazon Prime Video starts showing ads in January unless you pay $2.99/month xtra

submitted by qainsi+(OP) on 2023-12-26 22:04:05 | 259 points 466 comments
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18. aaronb+3b[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-26 23:37:24
>>nyjah+3a
They've likely been running Prime Video at a loss in order to drive up engagement, and now their priorities have changed.

Relatedly, see how Uber prices have changed over the past few years. https://slate.com/business/2022/05/uber-subsidy-lyft-cheap-r...

41. jjcm+md[view] [source] 2023-12-26 23:56:27
>>qainsi+(OP)
With prices of all streaming crawling upwards, and often multiple services being required to cover the catalog of what you want to watch, purchasing has become a compelling option again. Realistically, if you're paying for Netflix, Prime, and Disney+, you're looking at a $45/mo bill. With seasons of shows costing around $10-15 to buy, are you better off with streaming? I personally don't watch more than a full season of a show in any given month, and I've just started considering this. One notable benefit - most streaming providers have a larger digital catalog for purchasing than for streaming, meaning you can centralize more.

The obvious downside though is at some point the show may just magically disappear from your purchased library, if negotiations between the platform and the creator go south††. I'd love to see some laws in this area where "a purchase is a purchase" to prevent this, but for now it's a risk (albeit one with maritime workarounds).

or license leasing if you're buying digitally

†† ie https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6449826?sortBy=best

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43. btown+yd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-26 23:58:21
>>aether+Xb
> became technically easier and easier

For those unaware, you can spin up your own direct-to-consumer streaming subscription business in a box (assuming, of course, you have sufficient content to entice viewers) with https://vimeo.com/ott . Perhaps the best known brand using them is Dropout TV (formerly CollegeHumor) - see https://www.dropout.tv/copyright .

At a lower level, Cloudflare, mux.com, and others provide streaming and transcoding APIs that a small team of developers can easily weave together for a custom experience.

There is literally zero barrier to entry for a media company to have all the capabilities of Netflix, if they can bring their own customers and marketing. Which, of course, is no small feat, and requires playing in social media sandboxes. But it's increasingly hard to understand how Netflix has the staying power of the rest of FAANG.

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48. jmyeet+7e[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 00:03:28
>>nyjah+3a
> Why does everything get worse?

Because profits tend to fall over time [1] so to keep profits the same (let alone increasing) revenue have to go up and/or costs have to go down. More evenue can be higher prices, more subscribers, etc. Lowering costs can mean paying less in licensing, paying people less, employing less people, etc.

This was one of Marx's key observations of the inherent contradictions in capitalism.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit...

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118. tzs+Ro[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 01:39:01
>>jjcm+md
I just noticed that complete series of shows can be fairly cheap. I was in Best Buy and happened to walk by the DVD section for example and saw the complete "How I Met Your Mother" in a 28 disc boxed set for $32.99.

Unfortunately the world of DVD and Blu-ray seems to be overrun with too many editions. For example besides that particular HIMYM set (here it is at Amazon [1]), there is also this one [2] which is $49.99.

The pictures for the two look identical. But the release date listed for the $32.99 is about 9 months later, and the media format descriptions differ between the two. The $32.99 one says Subtitled, NTSC. The $49.99 one says NTSC, Widescreen, Box set, Subtitles, AC-3, Dolby. The $32.99 lists language as "English (Dolby Surround)" so does apparently have Dolby. The $49.99 one doesn't list language. The $32.99 one says it has English, French, and Spanish subtitles. The $49.99 just says French and Spanish subtitles. Does one of them have better sound? Do either of them have commentary, deleted scenes, or other special features. Does only the $49.99 have widescreen?

Some comments mention that there is commentary, but (1) Amazon considers these two sets to be variations on the same set and so they share comments, so there is no way to tell which set the comment is talking about, and (2) some of those comments are from several years before either set was released--they were definitely commenting about HIMYM so my guess is that they were for early releases of specific seasons or something like that.

If I were interested in buying that complete HIMYM I'd have no idea from those Amazon listings and comments which set to buy.

I've also seen similar things when considering buying movies. There will often be one or more of a DVD, a DVD + digital code, a Blu-ray + DVD + digital code, a 4K UHD Blu-ray, a 4K UHD Blu-ray + digital code, a 4K UHD Blu-ray + DVD + digital code, and probably some that I've forgotten.

Online listings often don't say if the digital code is for 4K, and often don't say much about special features. It is confusing enough that my impulse to buy the movie does not last long enough for me to figure out which to buy.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/How-Met-Your-Mother-Complete/dp/B07GJ...

[2] https://www.amazon.com/How-Met-Your-Mother-Complete/dp/B0747...

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144. yjftsj+Qq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 01:59:11
>>paulco+2a
> I know there are things that people expect me to pay money for

If the deal is I give the seller money and get the product, that's fine. But if next month the seller says actually now even though you're paying me I'm going to show you ads anyways, or yeah you gave me money but I've decided to take back the product without refunding you[0]... it is easy to become sympathetic to pirates.

[0] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/playstation-is-erasi...

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151. ksherl+4r[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 02:00:53
>>woodru+Pj
The problem is: even at a higher price point, the ad-free versions generate less revenue.

"“We’re obviously trying with our pricing strategy to migrate more subs to the advertiser-supported tier,” Disney Chief Executive Bob Iger said in August during a call with investors to discuss the company’s quarterly results."

"Disney, Netflix and Warner Bros. Discovery have recently said the ad-supported versions of their streaming platforms generate more money per user than their ad-free counterparts, as the advertising revenue more than offsets the lower subscription cost." -- https://www.wsj.com/business/media/netflix-price-increase-ac...

"Netflix executives have said that the ad tier brings in more average revenue per user than its $15.49 standard plan." -- https://www.wsj.com/articles/netflix-reworks-microsoft-pact-...

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194. TheAce+8u[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 02:32:31
>>beAbU+aq
Try out Sponsorblock [0]. It skips sponsored content in YouTube videos.

[0] https://sponsor.ajay.app/

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198. chii+Ku[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 02:39:33
>>Covzir+yt
There are tampermonkey script(s) and ublock filter scripts that swap out the advert video with the live broadcast video (but in low res) - i have lived with that for now, esp. since i watch esports on twitch, and it sucks that i would have missed key moments of a game when an ad plays during it!

There's several ones listed here : https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions

I use the scripts (https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions#scripts) instead of the proxy solution, as i dont want to rely on a third party server to be working.

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206. woodru+iw[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 02:56:11
>>bobthe+du
Right, but neither of these functions explains the circularity: if Netflix loses money on every paying subscriber versus the "ad watching sucker" demographic, why spend billions of dollars a year[1] advertising your paid plans?

(Maybe I'm being too literal here -- it'd be fair to argue that Netflix mostly just advertises their shows, not the plans themselves directly.)

[1]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/688525/netflix-ad-expens...

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242. forbid+cA[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 03:36:34
>>Covzir+yt
There is the option of Twitch Turbo, which removes all (Twitch) ads for $12 per month.

https://www.twitch.tv/turbo

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255. timsch+6C[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 03:54:48
>>bobthe+du
Reminds me of the mindblowing album Dispepsi by Negativland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8S3xlIXObA
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270. lakpan+hE[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 04:26:18
>>throwu+nD
Maybe my comment is out of date, but the patterns around Prime caused the FTC to sue Amazon just last summer:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-uses-six-dark-pattern-...

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/amazon-rosca-pu...

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272. tehweb+SE[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 04:38:11
>>ksherl+4r
One article says their rate is $55 CPM[0][1] & the ad supported subscription costs $6.99 vs $15.49 so $8.50 difference.

So if a viewer watches 155 ads (impressions) in a month they have earned Netflix more money with their eyeballs than they saved in subscription cost.

Netflix says people should expect “about 4 minutes of ads per hour” which is notably not directly equivalent to impressions. If each ad is 30 seconds it takes about 39 hours to reach 155 ad impressions. That’s close to 80 minutes per day each month.

Another way of looking at it is that you get paid $6.58 per hour to watch ads, up until you’ve watched 77.5 minutes of ads. After that you are paid $0 to watch ads.

[0] https://digiday.com/media-buying/netflixs-cpm-still-under-bu...

[1] They also say it was reduced from $65 (131 impressions) and plus this is a sales game so the rates will be up and down all the time based on KPIs and competitions to win steak knives and more comprehensive media buy deals.

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287. slyall+yG[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 04:56:15
>>irajde+hn
FAST or "Free advertising supported streaming television" sometimes include includes "FAST Channels" which are can resemble old-style network TV channels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_ad-supported_streaming_te...

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303. Superm+2I[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 05:18:45
>>crazyg+BH
> that's not cable. That's premium.

Moving the goalpost is not compelling. Yes, national cable stations were commercial free for years (eg Z Channel^1, HBO, Showtime, et al), before every channel was advertised as being on cable, in a marketing shift to shift away from over-the-air broadcast and bundle programming rates. TBS was regional (Atlanta, Georgia^3), when it started off. The niche market of TBS was not industry defining anymore than my local bakery's donut deal is. This was a shift in terminology, but the history remains^2.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Channel

[2] https://www.everything80spodcast.com/hbo-showtime-the-rapid-...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TBS_(American_TV_channel)

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330. WillPo+OM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 06:31:01
>>lakpan+hE
Your comment is not out of date, the screenshots in the article are how it still looks, but it really is not hard to cancel. It is on the less "dark pattern" side of subscription sites. For example, the NY Times is worse at whole other level - can't unsubscribe online without either calling, or chatting with a rep.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/13sedmx/...

https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/10j2lkv/new_...

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358. caskst+kR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 07:40:40
>>ksherl+4r
But do they account for people like me who after seeing too many ads just say "Fuck it, I'm out of here"? Cable TV companies also tried to show bunch of ads to already paying customers who then started leaving in droves as soon as there was a way out[0].

[0]: https://www.statista.com/topics/4527/cord-cutting

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359. BLKNSL+rR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 07:43:52
>>briHas+gC
You could run your own personal instance of a DHT scraper / indexer via bitmagnet[0].

Make sure to read the docs for minimising database size and traffic volume pending available resources.

[0]:https://bitmagnet.io [1]:https://github.com/bitmagnet-io/bitmagnet

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380. vel0ci+eo1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 13:57:04
>>elzbar+KA
You're really arguing pretty much everyone who had cable had multiple $10/mo (in the 80s and 90s!) premium channels and pretty much exclusively watched that? So there were pretty much zero people watching CNN, there were zero people watching USA,there were zero people watching Cartoon Network, zero people watching MTV, zero people watching ESPN, etc? Only HBO and Cinemax? Those were the only channels on at every single friends house, always?

> I never ever found a house amongst my friends and family during the 90's that had only basic cable.

Damn, and I thought I had a privileged childhood. Many of my friends didn't even have cable despite many coming from families making into six figures in the 90s. Literally nobody you knew only had or even spent any time watching basic cable channels?

Even for the percentage of those I knew who did have cable, most didn't have the premium channels or would only have HBO or only Showtime or whatever. And no, they weren't paying tons of money to only watch HBO, many of those other channels were often watched.

And by the fact you're scoping it to the 90s and beyond shows you're just ignoring the 40 years of history before.

> I have no hard data to back what I am going to say

You don't have the data because its 100% fiction.

> who I suspect was a plurality of cable users

Not even close. Supposedly in May 1987 it was reported HBO had 15 million subscribers. There were 41 million cable subscribers that year. In 2001 it was reported to have 25.5 million subscribers[2]. There were 66 million cable subscribers in the US. Never, in all of cable's history, have the plurality of cable subscribers had HBO.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HBO [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_television_in_the_United... [2] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-oct-05-ca-53541...

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386. matejd+pw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 14:49:33
>>fortys+zP
You can get Lutris: It's an open source launcher that you login into with GOG account and it will download the games and wrap them with Wine, similar to Steam.

https://lutris.net/

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394. 127361+RM1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 16:22:59
>>vel0ci+8E1
Likely fewer ads at the beginning, and then gradually more with time. Sorry. I'll edit my post.

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/01/11/us/advertisers-look-close...

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410. Superm+Cg2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 19:04:19
>>vel0ci+tM
I'm sorry that you're insisting on pushing that narrative, which is incorrect.

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/26/arts/will-cable-tv-be-inv...

Yes, commercials did eventually invade it (as everyone knows), but this was not the initial marketing (aka promise). I guess you had to be there. Good luck with whatever.

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438. browni+G33[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-27 23:54:45
>>Dylan1+jO
Of course they’d get a pass for that. But that’s not what happened. I’m not going to pay $3/mo for something I had today. Rings of Power wasn’t that good.

And: https://x.com/doctorow/status/1669073016419155973?s=46&t=UYF...

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459. asah+g47[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-12-29 11:05:10
>>anigbr+Zb
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification (No mention of promotion)
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