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Illegal raids contribute to death of newspaper co-owner

submitted by anigbr+(OP) on 2023-08-13 01:29:05 | 220 points 56 comments
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1. snvzz+t1[view] [source] 2023-08-13 01:45:44
>>anigbr+(OP)
https://archive.is/kZbKF
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2. superk+N1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 01:49:00
>>snvzz+t1
archive.is is now inaccessible behind a google wall. Ironic. They could save others from content blocking, but not themselves. My attempts to read the story on the original link also fail.

That said, based on the information in the comments here it sounds like the mother of the owner who lived at home with the owner at the time of the raid has died. This is incredibly sad. The use of police force always has consequences even if they're not physical.

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3. u844f7+02[view] [source] 2023-08-13 01:50:26
>>anigbr+(OP)
Since nothing seems to be working:

"Stressed beyond her limits and overwhelmed by hours of shock and grief after illegal police raids on her home and the Marion County Record newspaper office Friday, 98-year-old newspaper co-owner Joan Meyer, otherwise in good health for her age, collapsed Saturday afternoon and died at her home.

She had not been able to eat after police showed up at the door of her home Friday with a search warrant in hand. Neither was she able to sleep Friday night.

She tearfully watched during the raid as police not only carted away her computer and a router used by an Alexa smart speaker but also dug through her son Eric’s personal bank and investments statements to photograph them. Electronic cords were left in a jumbled pile on her floor.

Joan Meyer’s ability to stream TV shows at her home and to get help through her Alexa smart speakers were taken away with the electronics. "

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4. loeg+32[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 01:50:43
>>snvzz+t1
This is just a link to the home page, not the titled article?
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5. gnabgi+v2[view] [source] 2023-08-13 01:56:08
>>anigbr+(OP)
Related: [Police stage ‘chilling’ raid on Marion County newspaper](>>37096015 ) 248pts, 131 comments, 1 day ago
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6. dylan6+x2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 01:56:14
>>loeg+32
as is the original link. the site is so not a modern design, it actually took me a second to decide if this was a real site or not
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7. sillys+H2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 01:57:28
>>u844f7+02
Here's the full article as screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/FO2I7Li

Interestingly they appear to use javascript to disable copy-paste. I was going to copy it into a gist.

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8. sillys+M2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 01:58:48
>>superk+N1
Ditto. I wonder what happened to archive.is. Maybe it was just a bad implementation of captchas, but it makes their site inaccessible for most of us.
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9. dylan6+S2[view] [source] 2023-08-13 01:59:21
>>anigbr+(OP)
not being a lawyer, i'm not familiar with all of the various levels of charges, but is this something that could be charged with something along the lines of negligent homicide? playing the what if game, but what if the actions of the police are deemed improper? what are the possible repercussions of the collateral damage?
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10. concur+X2[view] [source] 2023-08-13 02:00:02
>>anigbr+(OP)
Seems like even the servers are going offline - opened this on my phone - then after 30 minutes I was going to read this on my desktop but the website is now down.

Wayback Machine is broken. Spooky.

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11. defros+Y2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:00:10
>>sillys+M2
Check your DNS, there are issues using Cloudflare to reach archive.{is | li | today | etc } Google DNS and others work where Cloudflare does not.
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12. sillys+43[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:01:53
>>defros+Y2
Oof. I do indeed have my router configured to use 8.8.8.8 with 1.1.1.1 as a backup.

Whenever I plugged in 1.1.1.1 I had a sneaking feeling of "maybe this is a bad idea" based on random comments claiming problems on HN, but this is the first I've been bitten by it.

Thanks!

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13. defros+h3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:05:10
>>concur+X2
They were raided and apparently had the bulk of their in office IT hardware confiscated - handhelds, desktops, servers, drives, etc.

However they're publishing now it's likely in a very ad hoc rickety manner with limited access to primary resource keys, passwords, et al.

Timely reminder for some here to look at their own work flow setups and ask themselves "what would I do tomorrow if everything I see now was burned up, flooded out, confiscated, etc."

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14. defros+q3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:06:42
>>sillys+43
No worries, glad it worked out for you, hopefully others see the message :)
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15. forgot+x3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:08:22
>>superk+N1
I've been having the same issue, but I've been blessed with getting through using another browser.

I think I set it off initially by trying to complete the captcha using keyboard input, which I actually captured on video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmbXyP46W9I

After that, this browser's fingerprint got tagged, and I haven't been able to get past it since. But using another browser from the same computer (and connection) worked fine.

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16. staple+G3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:09:59
>>dylan6+S2
Is this satire?

Read about Eric Garner for "repercussions" of literal caught-on-camera homicide.

It took an entire country rioting to get justice for George Floyd.. there won't even be an investigation into this.

17. bratgp+n4[view] [source] 2023-08-13 02:18:10
>>anigbr+(OP)
This is peak small-town politics.

Also,

> After the council meeting, Newell acknowledged the accuracy of the information and said she understood that coming forward with allegations about it might expose the information rather than preserve its confidentiality.

> The state suspended her license because of a drunken-driving conviction in 2008 and a series of other driving convictions. [...]

lol

18. msisk6+t4[view] [source] 2023-08-13 02:18:39
>>anigbr+(OP)
It's getting a bit more coverage at least. Here's a (soft paywalled) link to a commentary about the incident in the Kansas City newspaper: https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/guest-com...
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19. kragen+y4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:19:15
>>dylan6+S2
possibly you are very young or not from the usa

assuming the newspaper's allegations are correct, in the best plausible case, her family sues the city government for wrongful death, qualified immunity shields the thugs, the family wins the case and gets awarded a large amount of money that the government has to pay, which raises taxes on the people living in the area in order to pay it

there is essentially no chance that the district attorney's office will prosecute crooked cops; those crooked cops are their closest collaborators when they are doing what they do 99% of the time, which is prosecuting poor people who don't work for the government. the prosecution of derek chauvin was no more a matter of business as usual than the prosecution of julian assange

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20. sleepy+F4[view] [source] 2023-08-13 02:20:31
>>anigbr+(OP)
All this because someone leaked the paper a report about a local restaurateur getting a dui while driving without a license? A report that the paper went to the police about after deciding not to publish it.

None of these police should ever be allowed power over another human being ever again. They can muck stables for the rest of their days.

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21. jacobo+05[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:24:11
>>sleepy+F4
No, the newspaper was investigating Chief of Police Gideon Cody's sexual misconduct, and the identities of the accusers were on one of the seized computers.

Source: https://thehandbasket.substack.com/p/a-conversation-with-the...

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22. defros+e5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:26:47
>>sillys+H2

    Illegal raids contribute to death of newspaper co-owner

    Stressed beyond her limits and overwhelmed by hours of shock and grief after illegal police raids on her home and the Marion County Record newspaper office Friday, 98-year-old newspaper co-owner Joan Meyer, otherwise in good health for her age, collapsed Saturday afternoon and died at her home.

    She had not been able to eat after police showed up at the door of her home Friday with a search warrant in hand. Neither was she able to sleep Friday night.

    She tearfully watched during the raid as police not only carted away her computer and a router used by an Alexa smart speaker but also dug through her son Eric’s personal bank and investments statements to photograph them. Electronic cords were left in a jumbled pile on her floor.

    Joan Meyer’s ability to stream TV shows at her home and to get help through her Alexa smart speakers were taken away with the electronics.

    As her home was raided, other officers descended upon the Record office, forcing staff members to stay outside the office for hours during a heat advisory. They were not allowed them to answer the phone or make any calls.

    Marion police chief Gideon Cody forcibly grabbed reporter Deb Gruver’s personal cell phone out of her hand, reinjuring one of her fingers, which previously had been dislocated.

    Officers seized personal cell phones and computers, including the newspaper’s file server, along with other equipment unrelated to the scope of their search.

    They refused to say when the items, necessary for publishing next week’s issue of the Record, might be returned. The newspaper has obtained equipment to ensure publication and is working to re-create material for the paper.

    Legal experts contacted by the Record termed the raid unheard of in America and reminiscent of what occurs in totalitarian regimes and the Third World.

    The Record is expected to file a federal suit against the City of Marion and those involved in the search, which legal experts contacted were unanimous in saying violated multiple state and federal laws, including the U.S. Constitution, and multiple court rulings.

    “Our first priority is to be able to publish next week,” publisher Eric Meyer said, “but we also want to make sure no other news organization is ever exposed to the Gestapo tactics we witnessed today. We will be seeking the maximum sanctions possible under law.”

    A two-page warrant signed by Magistrate Laura Viar was given to the Record at the time of the search.

    Marion vice mayor Ruth Herbel’s home also was raided at the same time.

    The warrants alleged there was probable cause to believe that identity theft and unlawful computer acts had been committed involving Marion business owner Kari Newell.

    A Record reporter later requested a copy of the probable cause affidavit necessary for issuance of the search warrant

    District court, where such items are supposed to be filed, issued a signed statement saying no affidavit was on file.

    County attorney Joel Ensey, whose brother owns the hotel where Newell operates her restaurant, was asked for it but said he would not release it because it was “not a public document.”

    Police read Record staff members their rights. Cody asked officer Zach Hudlin to read Gruver her rights because he couldn’t read a business-sized card listing them as he wasn’t wearing glasses.

    Denying staff access to the office and taking four computers meant that the reporters and the newspaper’s office manager could not do their jobs Friday.

    Officers disconnected a computer router at the Record but did not seize it.

    Law enforcement also seized a computer and a cell phone from Herbel’s home Friday morning. Herbel, 80, who does not have a land-line phone, later drove to McPherson to purchase a replacement phone so she could remain in contact in case of problems with her 88-year-old husband, who is disabled and suffers from dementia.

    Newell accused the Record at a city council meeting Aug. 7 of illegally obtaining drunken-driving information about her and supplying it to Herbel.

    The Record did not seek out the information. Rather, it was provided by a source who sent it to the newspaper via social media and also sent it to Herbel.

    After attempting to verify that the information was accurate and had been obtained, as the source claimed, from a public website, the Record decided not to publish it.

    After consulting an attorney and obtaining other information, Meyer thought the information had been intentionally leaked to the newspaper as part of legal sparring between Newell and her estranged husband over who should get title to various of the couple’s motor vehicles in divorce proceedings.

    That contention later was verified by Newell during discussions with Meyer.

    During attempts to verify the information, the Record accessed the same state web page that the source indicated had been used.

    During the verification attempt, Record reporter Phyllis Zorn made no attempt to conceal her identity, providing her name and knowingly clicking on a consent form verifying that she did not plan to disseminate the information — because, in fact, she did not plan to and did not do so.

    Afterward, Meyer consulted an attorney and, without naming Newell, on Aug. 4 notified Sheriff Jeff Soyez and Cody that the newspaper had received the information and that the source who provided it alleged that law enforcement officers knew Newell did not have a valid driver’s license and ignored her violation of the law.

    After the council meeting, Newell acknowledged the accuracy of the information and said she understood that coming forward with allegations about it might expose the information rather than preserve its confidentiality.

    The state suspended her license because of a drunken-driving conviction in 2008 and a series of other driving convictions.

    Newell speculated about who the source was and said she thought the information had been supplied to that person by her estranged husband as part of their divorce proceedings.

    She has said that she took care of her license this week. This, however, has not been verified. In the same post, she admitted driving without a license after her drunken-driving conviction.

    At Monday’s council meeting, Newell accused Herbel of acting “negligently and recklessly” by sharing her personal information.

    Herbel said she had received the information from the same source as the Record but had shared it with only one person — city administrator Brogan Jones — because Newell was on that day’s agenda to seek endorsement of a request for a catering liquor license, for which a drunken driving conviction in certain cases might have disqualified her. Herbel told Jones she thought the police should investigate Newell’s application.
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23. mcpack+s5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:29:15
>>dylan6+S2
Homicide by inducement of stress? That'd be a hard sell.
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24. barbaz+p6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:39:16
>>jacobo+05
Crazy. Imagine the environment in this is either lawful or felt like they could get away with it.
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25. lighte+x6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:40:37
>>mcpack+s5
Nope. I'd convict immediately for the INTENTIONAL infliction of emotional distress and the death such action caused. Misdemeanors that cause death become felonies - see DUIs.
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26. greyfa+N6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:43:59
>>lighte+x6
Good luck making it through voir dire.
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27. uoaei+P6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:44:13
>>barbaz+p6
Americans live it every day...
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28. shiftp+c7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:48:56
>>uoaei+P6
You are delusional if you think corrupt policing only happens in America.
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29. MBCook+r7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:51:30
>>lighte+x6
They’re the police. See any of a huge number of articles. It’s nearly impossible to go after them for shooting someone in the back.

This is far more tenuous.

All this is, sadly, is now an emotional bullet point in a future civil rights suit.

30. 0xDEF+A7[view] [source] 2023-08-13 02:53:18
>>anigbr+(OP)
This whole affair really puts the phrase "Try that in a small town" into perspective.
31. gumby+E7[view] [source] 2023-08-13 02:53:47
>>anigbr+(OP)
I assume the cops will just seize the stuff as "civil forfeiture" and sell it off (without wiping it). Sounds like a perfect way to doxx and victimize people you don't like.
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32. barbaz+Q7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 02:56:03
>>shiftp+c7
I don't think anyone said or implied that at all.
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33. fnordp+X8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 03:10:31
>>dylan6+S2
IANAL:

It’s almost certain there’s no criminal case related to the death of the co-owner, even if the warrant should not have been issued. The fact is it was issued by a judge, and it doesn’t sound like the police did anything specifically outside the scope of the warrant.

If the warrant was issued illegally and there was some provable animus on behalf of the police, and/or it was done as clear harassment, a civil case is the most likely to succeed. By establishing certain facts such as these and proving the degree of distress caused, they can likely bring about a significant judgement against the city and possibly go as far as a sanction on the judge depending on how she was involved.

If it turns out it was a conspiracy between the restaurant owner and the police where they conspired to manipulate the judge into issuing an illegal warrant, the restaurant owner is the most likely to face a criminal charge.

I suspect they will also pursue a criminal or civil case on the basis of harassment of journalists doing protected work based on a false identity theft assertion to justify avoiding the legal requirement to issue a subpoena rather than a warrant. The co-owners death won’t be a material fact in that sort of case but I’m sure would be mentioned to sharpen the case.

Regardless I expect popcorn is warming all over the country among folks with an interest in law.

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34. dragon+09[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 03:10:57
>>lighte+x6
> Nope. I'd convict immediately for the INTENTIONAL infliction of emotional distress and the death such action caused. Misdemeanors that cause death become felonies - see DUIs.

Two problems: IIED is a civil tort, not a crime, misdemeanor or otherwise. Second, the rule you state usually doesn't exist; many states have abolished the misdemeanor manslaughter rule or limited iy to a narrow class of misdemeanors, so that death in the course of a misdemeanor isn’t automatically manslaughter, and in states that retain it the class of manslaughter it becomes is a often a wobbler (can itself be a misdemeanor, or a felony, not always a felony.)

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35. dragon+v9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 03:16:26
>>kragen+y4
The best plausible case involves a federal criminal investigation and charges for conspiracy against rights and/or deprivation of rights under color of law under 18 USC § 241 and/or 18 USC § 242.

(First two entries on this page) https://www.justice.gov/crt/statutes-enforced-criminal-secti...

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36. fnordp+B9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 03:17:24
>>uoaei+P6
I think humans have lived with it every day ever since the first human picked up a rock and told someone else what to do or else. The point is an orderly use of power according to the law. These events do seem fairly far outside the norm in America, otherwise it wouldn’t be a top story on HN or anywhere else. It would be common life.

There are many place on earth where writing such a story is itself a crime because it’s illegal to criticize the government in any way.

While the American law enforcement system is broken in a systemic and fundamental way, and there are better places, and there are worse places, there is at least a system of laws that often provides relief and redress - but most importantly there exists avenues to fix the system over time and the open ability to advocate loudly for a restructuring of the government and its powers. This is a blessing in every society that has it, including in America.

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37. dragon+ea[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 03:26:03
>>fnordp+X8
> I suspect they will also pursue a criminal or civil case on the basis of harassment of journalists doing protected work based on a false identity theft assertion to justify avoiding the legal requirement to issue a subpoena rather than a warrant. The co-owners death won’t be a material fact in that sort of case but I’m sure would be mentioned to sharpen the case.

The death would absolutely be relevant in a criminal case (e.g., under the applicable federal statute matching the described conspiracy against protected conduct, it changes the maximum penalty from ten years to death or life in prison), in a civil case, it may also be relevant, as it would likely be among the harms forming the basis for damages. (It may even be the basis of the tort, e.g., if pursued as wrongful death, where the part you describe is the “wrongful” part.)

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38. fnordp+pa[view] [source] 2023-08-13 03:28:02
>>anigbr+(OP)
I would argue this is why all journalists should have their work processes in a major cloud provider with key management and audit services enabled.

Once upon a time I built one of the major providers sensitive data services, and a typical artifact of a warrant for a cloud provider is a stipulation the warrant discovery be done without alerting the customer to the search. By encrypting your data with a key management service and enabling the providers audit services (aka cloudtrail) it is impossible by design to execute the warrant without the customer receiving audit trail information about the providers access of the keys and the data service. In theory the provider could make back doors, but the law actually is on their side in that they are not required to take extraordinary measures that materially impacts their business to circumvent controls.

Further there is no physical seizure possible.

I know most small newspapers this is beyond their technical ability or understanding. I challenge this community, maybe there should be an OSS cloud deployable journalism platform with strong security, information resiliency, and defense in depth and breadth against the state.

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39. fnordp+za[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 03:30:43
>>dragon+ea
Fair enough - I wasn’t thinking about in a sentencing context but in a materiality in the establishment of a crime, as the crime would have to somehow encompass the death which seems hard to establish without some direct action.
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40. lighte+Ma[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 03:33:03
>>greyfa+N6
Tell me you've never done jury duty without telling me you've never done jury duty.
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41. Andait+Pa[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 03:33:18
>>fnordp+pa
Or just make some freely available terraform scripts to spin the whole thing up in a cloud, with the right info requested in the modules. They could even choose a location outside their current legal jurisdiction, if that helps.
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42. fnordp+yb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 03:42:19
>>Andait+Pa
Yes that’s my challenge to the community more or less. It’s a problem that can be solved. But you shouldn’t expect people with a journalism degree to figure it out. They spent their time partying and making friends and stuff while we were studying cryptography and distributed systems wishing we could be invited to a party or have a friend.
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43. pbjtim+5d[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 04:03:14
>>sillys+H2
Archive.ph is your friend
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44. anigbr+hf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 04:34:58
>>loeg+32
When you click on an article they reload the homepage with the article text. I didn't notice it at the time or I would have copied the link instead of just cut and pasting from the URL bar.
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45. kragen+yi[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 05:18:32
>>dragon+v9
how many people have been convicted under these sections in the last decade

i'm guessing less than 5

it's true that federal prosecutors have the freedom to prosecute local cops without themselves becoming unemployable, in a way that non-federal prosecutors do not

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46. dharma+pq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 07:07:35
>>fnordp+yb
Friend, there are many of us who studied and worked with cryptography and distributed systems while also spending times with friends and attending social events. Consider speaking to someone about this.
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47. jstarf+gz[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 08:49:47
>>defros+h3
Heh. Plenty of people would just shrug it off-- they have remote git repos or Dropbox/Drive/iCloud.

Better for them to start with the very simple exercise of "how much of my life will 2FA make inaccessible if I lose only my phone?"

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48. NoZebr+RA[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 09:04:22
>>Andait+Pa
Why would an organization deliberately put their core business outside the jurisdiction where they are incorporated, have offices, or do their primary business? They would not, just for some sort of tinfoil hat avoidance of legal repercussions, while in fact they could compound their legal troubles, and invite extra scrutiny, if they are crossing state lines, and/or setting up in "interesting" regions.
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49. macint+Z71[view] [source] 2023-08-13 13:57:41
>>anigbr+(OP)
I cannot find the story at the moment, but the county sheriff and other government officials made threats against a local reporter and newspaper in Idaho because they were doing their job. The reporter finally quit and moved.

The slow death of local journalism is leaving local government unaccountable, and even where journalists still operate they’re at risk from those in power.

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50. dragon+Gl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 15:40:14
>>kragen+yi
> how many people have been convicted under these sections in the last decade

There was enough criminal activity under those provisions and coordinated DOJ civil litigation (which often is a product of investigations that start as criminal investigation of a specific incident, but end up discovering systemic problems in the investigated department) against local police departments under the civil provisions of civil rights law that cutting back on both was a major and public priority of the Trump Administration when it came into office in 2017.

While I can’t think of many recent notable convictions (off the top of my head, the four MPD officers convicted related to George Floyd's murder are the only ones that jump to mind), officers involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting will be going on trial under it this year (current trial date is the end of October, IIRC; the one who reached a plea deal for helping prepare the falsified warrant application pled under a more general conspiracy statute.)

But, while its not a lot of prosecutions, its enough to show that it is more than a theoretical possibility where multiple police officers deliberately act together against a Constitutional rights and leave someone dead as a consequence.

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51. dharma+Nr1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 16:20:24
>>NoZebr+RA
> if they are crossing state lines

In the US, if your business is on the internet, it is crossing state lines, even if all your computers are in the same state.

In fact, pretty much all business in the US is considered across state lines.

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52. kragen+tq2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 22:13:53
>>dragon+Gl1
i'm guessing there haven't been any non-notable convictions under these sections recently or ever
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53. thatfu+Dy2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-13 23:16:45
>>jstarf+gz
I'm a security professional for a living (obviously not a great one) and I recently lost my phone without a recent 2fa backup. It was a nightmare.
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54. fnordp+zj3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-14 07:50:46
>>NoZebr+RA
I think it depends. I don’t think putting their data outside their local jurisdiction would help much because as a cloud provider they would service a lawful warrant across regions unless the accounts are owned by a foreign entity then it would have to be complaint with the region both of the data and the entity owning the account. Some jurisdictions are “safer” than others and some are less willing to honor a warrant from a us court against a local entity.

I think this is fairly complex though to avoid a potential issue that likely won’t exist. By simply instrumenting audit and using service provider encryption services like aws KMS with CMK with audit trails turned on you generally insulate yourself from most warrants. You can still be compelled to turn over data, but it would have to be done with you being aware of it and often with your direct involvement. More importantly you would retain a copy of everything and all your infrastructure. If they have convincing evidence you’re using your infrastructure to commit crimes the cloud provider may freeze your account, though, but it would have to be more than “we think you have evidence of a crime in your data” and more like “you are using ec2 instances to commit crimes actively”

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55. s_dev+wP3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-14 12:56:49
>>u844f7+02
While truly awful that she died the real story is the police chief with sexual harassment allegations raiding the paper that was going to publish these allegations.
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56. justin+KQ3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-14 13:03:26
>>jacobo+05
Wonder if their next computer setup will be using encryption at rest?

Sounds like they'd be motivated to do so now.

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