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Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

submitted by robbie+(OP) on 2023-05-31 17:30:39 | 1984 points 1273 comments
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15. robbie+T6[view] [source] 2023-05-31 18:02:53
>>robbie+(OP)
Reddit has posted their own announcements now

https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_upda... and

https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update...

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29. minima+c9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 18:12:07
>>robbie+T6
Apollo's developer also commented on that: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/...
67. rvz+Cc[view] [source] 2023-05-31 18:24:37
>>robbie+(OP)
Unsurprising as that was inevitable and Reddit needs to make money. Unless you can afford the high prices, don't build your whole business solely on someone else's API. Twitter made that clear and now so did Reddit.

Like I said before in [0]

"Either the API gets blocked for third-party clients, or you purchase a high price for it."

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36087219

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99. philip+Bg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 18:38:51
>>rootus+U8
It looks like it's currently blocked on "new Reddit" only for mobile user agents. If I try opening https://www.reddit.com/r/boobs/ in a desktop browser (or with a desktop agent on mobile) I get an option to just click on an "I'm over 18" button to see the content.
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102. rvz+0h[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 18:40:08
>>pauldd+yd
Yes. I don't see how this is a problem. It is their service which is subject to change at anytime. Either make money and pay for access to the API or shutdown.

Realistically, it was only a matter of time. Also predicted here: [0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34447084

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133. sorenj+1m[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 18:57:59
>>Alupis+Og
If you believe Elon Musk Twitter's current value is less than half of what he bought it for ($20B compared to $44B).

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/27/tech/elon-musk-twitter-si...

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155. azemet+4r[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:18:52
>>bluesc+hq
Ever since learning the phrase "enshittification" [1] from Cory Doctorow it becomes more apparent when it happens around you.

I wonder if there is a "fediverse" for something like forums? I can never get into mastodon because it's not like forums and conversations between people are quite hard if you don't follow them.

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

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161. 7v3x3n+Vr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:21:54
>>azemet+4r
check out Lemmy https://join-lemmy.org/
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179. PNewli+Jt[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:28:34
>>bluesc+hq
Have you tried using the 'old' reddit? Replacing 'www.' with 'old.' will move you over to the old style of reddit and will keep you there when clicking through links.

https://old.reddit.com/r/all/

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184. toomuc+Xu[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:32:16
>>proto_+Kt
https://www.discourse.org/ with a discovery mechanism? Would be cool to get Keybase out of Zoom to use for pki identity across various communities. Seems like all the primitives are there, just a lot of grind to do it.

Users->Discovery Mechanism->Topics->Threads with all of the trimmings.

189. pkulak+Ev[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:34:54
>>robbie+(OP)
I've been very happy with Ivory:

https://tapbots.com/ivory/

Every few months I kick a couple bucks to my homeserver (which is currently running a pretty large surplus or I'd do more) and that's the end of it.

210. jlmort+Lx[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:45:00
>>robbie+(OP)
Here's a much more informative post [1] from Apollo developer Christian on Reddit last month, along with an older post [2] with some additional info.

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca...

[2] https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_fe...

212. s1k3s+Zx[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:45:54
>>robbie+(OP)
Reading the comments in their announcement thread[0] reminds me of the "I'm leaving to Canada" from the Trump era. I'm sure they did the math and I'm sure Reddit will be just fine.

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca...

213. xavdid+0y[view] [source] 2023-05-31 19:46:00
>>robbie+(OP)
I got nervous that the API changes would be the end of Apollo, and thus largely the end of my Reddit use. So, I made a way to export all of my post and comment data into a searchable SQLite archive:

https://github.com/xavdid/reddit-user-to-sqlite/

It can pull your recent activity from the API, but also has support for pulling data from a GDPR archive (a feature I'm very proud of).

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248. humble+jB[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 19:59:07
>>victor+Nv
It's https://news.google.com/foryou.
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263. yojo+aD[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:05:39
>>Lx1oG-+v6
Facebook's average revenue per user (ARPU) is ~$10/quarter[0], and 6x that in the US. Which is honestly kind of stunning. Reddit is presumably much less than that, but they might be reasonably gunning for a number better than Pinterest, with an ARPU of ~$1.50[1].

To put the pricing post into the same context, we're talking $7.50 per Apollo user/quarter, which is closer to what Facebook makes per user than Pinterest.

That said, presumably 3rd party client users are especially active and would skew higher ARPU than the average Redditor, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were more likely to live in developed countries.

I dunno. I started running the numbers expecting to be outraged, but the cost doesn't seem crazy far from what Reddit could conceivably hope to earn off these users. I doubt Reddit is monetizing anywhere near that well right now, but if they're pricing the API in a forward-looking way, rather than planning to ratchet it up every quarter inline with monetization efforts, it could make sense.

0: https://www.statista.com/statistics/251328/facebooks-average...

1: https://www.statista.com/statistics/995251/pinterest-quarter...

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271. skraus+MD[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:08:02
>>aquova+As
You can subscribe to the "top" page of the last week, on average this feed will only have 3-4 new entries per day.

Example RSS feed: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/top/.rss?sort=top&t=week

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317. azemet+iH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:21:54
>>avdlin+MA
Sorry you aren't able to read it, he also talks about it here as well:

https://doctorow.medium.com/twiddler-1b5c9690cce6

Oddly enough I can't find it actually on his blog.

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331. m463+QH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:24:20
>>azemet+4r
enshittification might be more like the ship of theseus. The original reddit was started by an interesting group of people with different ideas and ideals than who is there now.

The people making up reddit might have been replaced with completely different people - with different motivations, behaviors, and expectations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

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333. mvdtnz+5I[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:24:57
>>ohgodp+PG
Sorry if you think this take is "moronic" but I've gone through the exercise of cutting back usage on chatty APIs several times and it's real, meaningful work that makes a difference.

I'm not a reddit admin. Please try to engage in good faith on this website. I'd suggest reading the "In Comments" section of the hacker news guidelines if you're unsure.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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338. slipsh+qI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:26:14
>>racl10+vu
> The browser is turtle slow.

Are you using old reddit? [1] Do you find that slow as well??

[1] - https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/o67vzg/how_tro_get_ba...

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360. csydas+vK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:35:15
>>thewat+QA
I think social media is a vague term that has lost its original meaning, whatever that was. [0]

Especially with modern tech, very few pieces of technology act as a single purpose; my phone can be just a phone, just a camera, just a chat application, or any combination of the above. Whether it's a toy or a work tool or a social media device changes depending on how its being used.

HackerNews is the same, in that you can just use it as a link aggregator, maybe you like it as a "classic" forum, maybe you use it for advertising. (HN-ready articles that are basically advertisements are quite common and popular even)

I think before anyone can really answer if something is social media or not, it needs to be better defined what it actually encompasses now as oppose to when the term was coined. Like, is a Glade AirFreshner a social media device just because you can tweet from it?

0 - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8064945/pdf/cyb... I guess this says it originated in 1990? But it doesn't seem well defined.

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401. tangus+ZN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 20:52:29
>>blowsk+Vw
Try this: https://old.reddit.com/r/all/.i

Unfortunately it doesn't keep across links.

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463. kitebi+oS[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:17:29
>>IAmGra+YK
There's a replacement already (maybe not as good, unfortunately): Lemmy*, which is decentralized and integrated with Mastodon.

* https://lemmy.ml

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478. spaceb+hT[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:22:40
>>donmcr+JO
Not quite $240, but Netflix apparently spends about $100 for customer acquisition [1] (data is a few years old). I imagine the other streaming sites have similar unit economics.

In consumer finance, CACs are even higher. For standard credit cards it’s around $200 but can be over $1000 for premium cards.

[1] https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/01/23/netflixs-83-millio... [2]https://www.unifimoney.com/blog/changing-the-vicious-cycle-o...

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484. sorenj+MT[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:25:56
>>flutas+kf
You can't report to the moderators, they're just anonymous users that for some reason wants to work for free for Reddit. Often times they have their own agendas, I've used third party sites to show deleted comments that makes it clear some mods support calls for violence against certain groups, depending on which subreddit it is.

I've reported threats of violence similar to what you describes over at https://www.reddit.com/report and they removed it after a day or two, even comments that were highly upvoted.

507. thepas+RV[view] [source] 2023-05-31 21:37:57
>>robbie+(OP)
Just a reminder that power delete suite exists, but will probably be killed off eventually as well: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite

This is a tool to purge your reddit comments. It first edits them to something else, then deletes them. Reddit admins have claimed that this is a true delete, as opposed to setting a delete flag.

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511. Arcora+rW[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:40:06
>>secabe+fS
RIF dev just posted an official update on the changes: https://old.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_de...

As the URL suggests, at this pricing RIF will simply die.

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533. the_sn+uY[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:50:13
>>Eji170+HR
>I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two-sided market," where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.

https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

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543. mschus+aZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 21:53:56
>>adastr+HE
See e.g. this report: https://christian-saefken.de/abmahnen-aber-richtig/
574. bagels+r21[view] [source] 2023-05-31 22:11:43
>>robbie+(OP)
Link to some discussion without context. Apparently this is about Apollo which is some alternative Reddit app.

https://apolloapp.io/

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588. BudaDu+A31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:17:42
>>TheAce+W21
https://media.tenor.com/80zMDyE85hAAAAAC/money-crying.gif
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593. rhtgrg+W31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:19:26
>>wilson+p01
Discord already has forums.

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/6208479917079-...

608. aSockP+451[view] [source] 2023-05-31 22:27:22
>>robbie+(OP)
Off to Teddit or?

https://teddit.net/about

Or self host your own. https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit

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633. wswope+D71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:41:25
>>foo102+f51
If you’re talking about a self-hostable Reddit-like service, Tildes’ platform might be a good option if it suits your taste.

https://docs.tildes.net/

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653. armcha+i91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:51:46
>>gaudat+XX
This is such a good idea even without Reddit's monetization and potentially blocking NSFW content. To me it seems obvious. It's also something that's actually likely to succeed and within the community's control, unlike getting Reddit to change their stance. Like, there's nothing stopping this from developing right now.

- "There won't be as many people." That's ok, probably even a good thing. 1.5-2.5 million users are more than enough, especially considering most of them are power users. I believe HN has around 1.5-2.5 million and the content here is way better than Reddit.

- "Making a social network is hard." Yes, but it's not too hard. Scaling is hard, but we're not scaling to Reddit's size (100+ million); and Mastodon has issues with scaling, but that's because their protocol is super-redundant in an effort to be decentralized (and apparently also kind of sucks). HN runs on 2 servers and uses a LISP dialect (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28478379); even though HN is text-only and Apollo would have images or videos, I'm 100% certain there are enough dedicated Reddit users who can make this a reality.

- Also be aware that Reddit's community is different than Facebook, Twitter, YouTube; they're a lot more tech-savvy, a lot more anonymous, favor NSFW a lot more, and a lot more anti-corporate. Especially the moderators, who honestly control most of the community (though it's usually a bad thing). We're going to need those moderators to prevent the Apollo social network from becoming the next 4chan (because, hopefully you understand, that's a bad thing)

There's absolutely going to be an exodus if Reddit does anything non-negligible, the only reason Reddit is even considering moving ahead with these changes is because they don't care.

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664. gnt_th+V91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:55:18
>>api_or+vL
>The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads

Because they aren't having to pay for hosting.

The only way to replace reddit is with a distributed system like aether: https://getaether.net/

Or if you absolutely want a centralized system, something community run like ao3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive_of_Our_Own

But given the absolute hostility and hate _users_ of reddit give those two sites for not banning everything they find offensive a site like reddit is just not possible any more.

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670. ceejay+fa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:56:32
>>bmarqu+981
> Blue seems to be a "less likely to be a bot" badge.

It's not working. https://imgur.com/a/6blpTqF

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673. jlmort+wa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 22:58:09
>>rjh29+NX
Yeah, the post was originally a link to Daring Fireball [1].

[1] https://daringfireball.net/linked/2023/05/31/reddit-apollo-a...

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696. paragr+Vc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 23:13:16
>>miki12+gN
I feel like the better pricing strategy would be something similar to what the geospatial API platforms like Google Maps do, with their explicit no-caching or time-limited-caching clauses. E.g. you're actually prohibited from retaining results from say a geocode beyond 30 days IIRC.

Amazon made this explicit with their Geospatial API pricing ( https://aws.amazon.com/location/pricing/ - "Places" tab) - where the pricing for being able to store a result is 8x higher.

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700. ccooff+id1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 23:15:25
>>bink+sz
Someone at Reddit has since restored the linked post[0]. I think the content is unchanged, but it may have been subtly edited while it was "[removed]".

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_upda...

717. RoyGBi+Ce1[view] [source] 2023-05-31 23:25:10
>>robbie+(OP)
Reddit is a sexist, racist, free speech bait & switching website owned by Newhouse family: https://www.tharawat-magazine.com/fbl/newhouse-family/

The sooner it's gone, the better.

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729. throwa+Rf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 23:34:10
>>pelagi+o91
There are other instances, none are 100% in my experience but some are better:

https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit

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753. tornat+ph1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 23:45:29
>>the_sn+uY
In economics they call this rent seeking[1]

> Rent-seeking is the act of growing one's existing wealth by manipulating the social or political environment without creating new wealth. Rent-seeking activities have negative effects on the rest of society.

You can see Reddit as a landlord, owning the land (or website) that the value grows on. They don't contribute value themselves, instead they make money by charging rent to everyone who wishes to grow value on their land.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

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756. RoyGBi+Ch1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 23:46:57
>>Andrew+bh1
What?

Reddit has been privately owned since 2006: https://www.crunchbase.com/acquisition/condenast-acquires-re...

And it's been a shitshow since they pulled their free speech bait & switch in 2015, so good riddance.

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760. lapcat+Xh1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-31 23:49:12
>>saagar+dd1
> Now, if you paraded around telling people you trust Apple and that they would never hurt you in any way

This feels like exaggeration. Unless there's something I missed?

"My thoughts: I think if done well and done reasonably, this could be a positive change (but that's a big if). If Reddit provides a means for third party apps to have a stable, consistent, and future-looking relationship with Reddit that certainly has its advantages, and does not sound unreasonable, provided the pricing is reasonable." https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_fe...

> you had conversations with their management and they want you to succeed, now we have a problem.

If this did happen, but later management double-crossed me, would you then rip on me?

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781. rovr13+Fk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 00:15:07
>>donmcr+fg1
> So I run 'example.com', but only serve (ex:) content via JSON. Allow competing implementations of the API on AWS, Cloudflare, self-hosted, etc.. Then let UIs like Apollo act like an aggregator and an OIDC provider for their users.

Reddit has something like this, but definitely not as intentional,

- https://www.reddit.com/r/all/.json

- https://www.reddit.com/r/all/.rss

- https://www.reddit.com/r/all/.xml

>The only thing Reddit has going for it IMO is the uniform UI across communities and they seem determined to make that a crappy experience from what I've seen.

Old reddit had stylesheets and they could be very interesting. I still prefer that over the current thing they built.

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851. Willis+8u1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 02:01:38
>>gnulin+Bo1
I was curious about this too, and would expect this to be somewhere like kaggle. There's some good results in https://www.kaggle.com/search?q=reddit+date%3A90+datasetSize..., e.g. https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/noahpersaud/reddit-submissio..., but nothing larger / more holistic or that includes comments AFAICT.
866. snwfog+Bw1[view] [source] 2023-06-01 02:28:13
>>robbie+(OP)
I am the sole developer of https://rdddeck.com; I have not receive any mails; where can I find more information regarding what will be rate-limited starting July 1st?
885. typeof+8y1[view] [source] 2023-06-01 02:45:14
>>robbie+(OP)
RIF is Fun is also going away because of this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_de...

It's the only reason I use reddit and I will definitely not use the site anymore if this app goes away.

Probably a good thing...

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893. Kon-Pe+8z1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 02:55:13
>>moneyw+xx1
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36110527
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904. spurgu+tA1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 03:10:39
>>foo102+f51
I tried out Lemmy a year or two ago (it seemed nice) but found that they had a hard-coded list of "bad words" that automatically got censored, some of them quite soft (and with dual meaning), like "bitch". So yeah, I quickly uninstalled it once I realized that. How the fuck are you going to run, say, a dog breeding node? Or just have any kind of semi-normal adult discussion where people aren't bothered by cursing? No thanks - as a moderator I (my community) would want to choose what to censor myself.

It might have changed since then but from what I remember of reading through the lead devs reasoning behind the "feature" I want no part of that ecosystem.

Edit: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622

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908. ihateo+3B1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 03:17:58
>>snwfog+Bw1
Here's an official update https://reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_e...
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981. holler+gM1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 05:41:58
>>Castei+Oq1
Building a public chat network / alternative to Reddit/Twitter/Discord at https://sqwok.im

Create post -> share url -> instant chatroom based around the topic -> live chat with anyone on the net in seconds (hopefully have fun). Open to feedback :)

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982. plasti+DM1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 05:48:45
>>photon+1M1
Lemmy? One of the devs of Lemmy posted this on Christian's thread on Reddit.

https://r.nf/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_re...

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985. jwilk+RM1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 05:53:26
>>plasti+DM1
Discussed on HN:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36141083 (>1000 comments)

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998. habi+5R1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 06:45:19
>>gaudat+XX
> I hope to see Apollo go down this route.

Make it work with https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy would be one idea. I have absolutely no clue how hard this would be though.

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999. tetris+pR1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 06:49:25
>>kloone+Vy1
The 1% rule:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule?wprov=sfla1

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1012. Attumm+fV1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 07:37:46
>>Karrot+zR1
Instagram has used python and django at scale. They have written about it in their engineering blog[0]. Not sure what their current stack is.

They did resort to all kinds of tricks. But your overal point still stands. The performance of python is lacking memory and it's embarrassingly slow. I hope python4 will have scripted for developing and compiled for production, like Dart. And a great compiler like Rust.

[0]https://instagram-engineering.com/static-analysis-at-scale-a...

1023. Discou+HX1[view] [source] 2023-06-01 08:06:41
>>robbie+(OP)
Someone in the thread where the OP linked directly to the Reddit post[0] suggested that perhaps Apollo would just create its own Reddit-like website under the name Apollo, republish it on the app store and then all the users would flock to the new social-media app instead of Reddit. The whole thing is really Reddit's fault: instead of offering to buy-out Apollo and make it official, they are relying on their ultra-shitty interface that nobody wants to use and hoping they can make an extra buck on the few third-party apps that will remain.

I'm not sure what they expect...we've all seen it happen with social-media, it starts out all open and free, and then investors get involved and soon enough people have already moved on to the next open and free alternative. 4chan is the only exception to this rule. But if 4chan somehow got transformed into a for-profit service, then things have already gotten very bad.

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36141083#36144800

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1044. vasco+w02[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 08:47:16
>>frames+KY1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property

> Private property is foundational to capitalism, an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. The distinction between private and personal property varies depending on political philosophy, with socialist perspectives making a hard distinction between the two. As a legal concept, private property is defined and enforced by a country's political system.

> The distinction between private and personal property varies depending on political philosophy

That is a political statement, whereas what I described is a practical situation of life. Do you support the viewpoint that I replied to that it doesn't matter if someone owns something, even if they worked hard for it, that you should be able to come in and takeover because of discourse that happens there? If so we can disagree on that, there's no need to make it a wider political statement.

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1059. xigoi+N32[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 09:27:54
>>marius+j32
The official instance https://lemmy.ml/ as well as its apparently favorite other instance Lemmygrad.
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1063. cassia+g42[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 09:32:56
>>xigoi+N32
lemmy.ml seems more tech-related than anything.

Lemmygrad is a server for Marxists. They say so on the topmost post when you open the website (https://lemmygrad.ml/post/668436).

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1065. xigoi+x42[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 09:35:58
>>cassia+g42
It took me about half a minute after opening lemmy.ml to find a comment glorifying communism: https://lemmy.ml/comment/435767

Of course Lemmygrad is for marxists. That's my point.

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1069. theshr+j52[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 09:43:20
>>kcvv+n42
Reddit Is Fun developer has received a similar ultimatum: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_de...
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1077. junon+i82[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 10:15:06
>>rovr13+Fk1
Yes stylesheets were great fun :D https://old.reddit.com/r/ooer
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1110. anonre+6n2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 12:30:03
>>sudden+g72
A Reddit engineer commented that Apollo uses 3x more API requests per user compared to other Reddit clients. There’s definitely room for optimization and I find Christian’s attitude off putting that his users just naturally “use more” API calls:

https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update...

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1111. rodfac+kn2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 12:31:39
>>MagicM+Qj2
The majority of Apollo users I reckon are using the free app. The paid app ("Pro") is what I use, but I do not use the subscription ("Ultra").

https://apolloapp.io/pro-ultra/

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1164. iggldi+9J2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-01 14:32:57
>>sschue+cz2
Re Google, possibly through this, as per https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ... ?

"We don’t allow apps that interfere with […] or access in an unauthorized manner […] other […] servers, networks, application programming interfaces (APIs), or services, including but not limited to other apps on the device, any Google service, or an authorized carrier’s network."

"Examples of common violations: […] Apps that access or use a service or API in a manner that violates its terms of service."

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1238. jodrel+BC6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-02 15:34:24
>>hinkle+jq1
A field of weeds is home to insects, pollinators, small wildlife, CO2 removing/oxygen producing plants, it can be a nice place to look at, to make a path and walk through, weeds can be beneficial[1] to the soil, or edible or medicinal[2].

A server with nothing on it is worse than taking up space, it's an investment of energy and CO2 release to make it and ship it around the world, and if it's powered on then it's taking electricity probably from fossil fuels and turning it into waste heat.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beneficial_weed

[2] https://gardenerspath.com/plants/herbs/edible-medicinal-weed...

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