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Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

submitted by grader+(OP) on 2023-02-09 10:58:47 | 205 points 359 comments
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AI is great. ChatGPT is incredible. But I feel tired when I see so many new products being built that incorporate AI in some way, like "AI for this..." "AI for that..." I think it misapplies AI. But more than that, it's just too much. Right? Right? Anyone else feel like this? Everything is about ChatGPT, AI, prompts or startups we can build with that. It's like the crypto craze all over again, and I'm a little in dread of the shysters again, the waste, the opportunity cost of folks pursuing this like a mad crowd rather than being a little more thoughtful about where to go next. Not a great look for the "scene" methinks. Am I alone in this view?


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2. rythms+D6[view] [source] 2023-02-09 11:55:06
>>grader+(OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle
11. Rambli+s7[view] [source] 2023-02-09 12:01:00
>>grader+(OP)
I had that since I was doing my masters in data science (5 years ago?). I love the models, the statistics and just the cleverness of everything but I just can't stand the "scene" anymore and moved almost entirely away from it. It's not as exciting as it was anymore.

When I started with the topic I watched a documentary with Joseph Weizenbaum ([1]) and felt weirded out that someone would step away from such an interesting and future-shaping topic. But the older I get, the more I feel that technology is not the solution to everything and AI might actually make more problems than it solves. I still think Bostrom's paperclip maximizer ([2]) is lacking fundamental understandings of the status quo and just generated unnecessary commotion.

[1] http://www.plugandpray-film.de/en/ [2] https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/paperclip-maximizer

48. imbias+Lb[view] [source] 2023-02-09 12:26:57
>>grader+(OP)
Maybe this will help https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ai-just-some-if-st...

And you're not alone, I feel the same since ~2015

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69. devnul+Kd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 12:38:53
>>Diggse+Cb
Actually it is [1] [2]

[1] Synonyms of artificial has "faked" : https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/artificial

[2] Synonyms of fake has "artificial": https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/fake

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104. willia+mg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 12:56:01
>>rcme+5e
The only problem with the “ChatGPT is bullshit” argument is that it is only half true.

ChatGPT, when provided with a synthetic prompt is reliably a synthesizer, or to use the loaded term, a bullshiter.

When provided with an analytic prompt, it is reliably a translator.

Terms, etc: https://www.williamcotton.com/articles/chatgpt-and-the-analy...

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107. cridde+Kg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 12:57:49
>>deafpo+W6
ChatGPT has certainly made a splash, but it's part of a larger trend. I started following developments in modern AI when Kevin Kelly tweeted[1] this in 2016:

> The business plans of the next 10,000 startups are easy to forecast: Take X and add AI.

I think the AI hype cycle isn't done building. A few days ago, Paul Graham tweeted[2] this:

> One of the differences between the AI boom and previous tech booms is that AI is technically more difficult. That combined with VC funds' shift toward earlier stage investing with less analysis will mean that, for a while, money will be thrown at any AI startup.

[1]: https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/718166465216512001

[2]: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1623060319403905026

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183. addcom+co[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 13:42:28
>>auctor+vj
There's a fellow that kinda predicted it in 1950 [0]:

> These arguments take the form, "I grant you that you can make machines do all the things you have mentioned but you will never be able to make one to do X."

> [...]

> The criticisms that we are considering here are often disguised forms of the argument from consciousness, Usually if one maintains that a machine can do one of these things, and describes the kind of method that the machine could use, one will not make much of an impression.

Every time "learning machines" are able to do a new thing, there's a "wait, it is just mechanical, _real_ intelligence is the goalpost".

[0] https://www.espace-turing.fr/IMG/pdf/Computing_Machinery_and...

186. latexr+oo[view] [source] 2023-02-09 13:43:22
>>grader+(OP)
> AI is great. ChatGPT is incredible.

Imagine how the HN users who disagree with that feel. It is beyond fatiguing. I’m frequently reminded of the companies who added “blockchain” to their name and saw massive jumps in their stock price, despite having noting to do with blockchains¹.

¹ https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16805598/companies-block...

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193. Joker_+2p[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 13:47:06
>>brooks+Aj
> Copilot is amazing for reducing the tedium of typing obvious but lengthy code (and strings!)

Which it occasionally mistypes. Then you're off to chase a small piece of error in a tub of boilerplate. Great stuff! For actual example, see [0]

[0] https://blog.ploeh.dk/2022/12/05/github-copilot-preliminary-...

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217. Sunhol+br[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 13:56:33
>>TooLaz+lg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect
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224. rxhern+Pr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 13:59:07
>>Sunhol+yo
You're acting like it's a grid of arbitrary size and an arbitrary amount of characters. It's a 3x3 with 2 choices for each square.

Neglecting that (only because it's harder to navigate whether I should expect it to handle state for an extremely finite space; even if it's in a different representation than it's directly used to), I know I saw a post where it failed at rock, paper, scissors. Just found it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/zjld09/chat_gpt_isn...

239. cardos+ft[view] [source] 2023-02-09 14:05:22
>>grader+(OP)
I understand the sentiment, but I'm trying actively to get away from all the hype and focus on the capabilities it has today. It's being useful for a bunch of people, there are some threads on it such as: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34589001
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256. Shinch+Ru[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 14:13:23
>>codept+b9
> I'm kinda worried AI will get a scam/shitty product connotation

I think we're already there. A legion of AI based startups seem to be coming out daily (https://www.futuretools.io/) that offer little more than gimmicks.

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274. Euprax+Cx[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 14:23:29
>>lordfr+dr
>>Instead of AI making machines smarter, it seems that computers are making humans dumber. Perhaps the AI revolution is about dropping the level of average human intelligence to match the level of a computer. A mental race to the bottom?

I came here to make this comment. Thank you for doing it for me.

I remember feeling shocked when this article appeared in the Atlantic in 2008, "Is Google Making Us Stupid?": https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/is-goog...

The existence of the article broke Betteridge's law for me. The fact that this phenomenon it is not more widely discussed describes the limit of human intelligence. Which brings me back around to the other side... perhaps we were never as intelligent as we suspected?

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288. danari+AA[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 14:34:58
>>sfpott+Ta
The intention of the "artificial" in "AI" is not that particular meaning of "artificial", but the one for "constructed, man-made"—see meaning #1 in the Wiktionary definition[0]; the one you are using is #2.

It is often frustrating that English has words with such different (but clearly related) definitions, as it can make it far too easy to end up talking past each other.

[0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/artificial

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315. hprota+lI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 15:03:36
>>brianm+69
> It's not AI it's an IF statement for crying out loud :-(

https://arxiv.org/abs/2210.05189 but all NNs _are_ if statements!

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331. danari+tg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 17:00:26
>>sfpott+o61
Let me introduce you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
347. lee101+nQ2[view] [source] 2023-02-09 23:19:52
>>grader+(OP)
Speaking about opportunity cost of folks pursuing AI like a mad crowd... I started a ChatGPT competitor https://text-generator.io let me know what you think .. or if it's too much...
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350. Bulgar+HH3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-10 06:48:58
>>NobleL+Xk
Look at how Microsoft is instructing GPT to become "Sydney" and re-evaluate your opinions about what is intelligence:

https://twitter.com/marvinvonhagen/status/162365814434901197...

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