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1. jupp0r+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:23:49
Bold prediction: if ads on paid streaming services become the norm, there will be a renaissance of piracy because it will once again offer the superior user experience.
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2. saiya-+J[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:25:40
>>jupp0r+(OP)
it never stopped being a superior experience for many types of users and many locations
3. Michae+91[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:27:13
>>jupp0r+(OP)
It's inevitable. Paying for cable TV was once pitched to the American public as a reprieve from ads. Now, virtually all cable TV channels have more ads than than broadcast television had in the first place.
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4. _track+M1[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:30:18
>>jupp0r+(OP)
I have to disagree with you.

Coming from a country where media consumption used the be expensive, the reason people pirated entertainment was mainly due to cost. Not because it was inconvenient to see an ad.

Streaming will still be miles more convenient than piracy. All I have to do is turn on my apple tv, grab the remote and watch whatever I want, whenever I want. I don’t have to dig through some torrent sites, download it, then stream it to the tv.

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5. msoad+U1[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:30:35
>>jupp0r+(OP)
Honestly I'm already off most of streaming services and use put.io for everything, including services that I'm already paying for. The home page that pushes garbage to my mind is another reason I'm avoiding those services. I want to watch things that I mindfully picked.
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6. fullsh+v2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:32:49
>>Michae+91
Well its inevitable to have an ad-tier and an ad-free tier at least. One of the benefits of digital ads v. linear TV ads.
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7. jjuliu+N2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:33:50
>>_track+M1
>I don’t have to dig through some torrent sites, download it, then stream it to the tv.

You don't have to do that these days, either. There's software out there that will happily keep tabs on your favorite shows and films and download them as soon as they're available via torrent/newsgroup/etc., and then drop it directly into Plex, Kodi, or wherever, automagically.

Just like streaming, but without the cost.

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8. intras+a3[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:35:31
>>jupp0r+(OP)
My approach has long been to "buy" content but then obtain that content via torrent.
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9. runjak+o3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:36:20
>>jjuliu+N2
What might be some of the better software that does this?

So I can avoid them, of course.

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10. synu+t3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:36:26
>>jjuliu+N2
It will even download as you watch if you want to watch something without a delay.
11. somehn+w3[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:36:32
>>jupp0r+(OP)
I went back years ago when a lot of media companies started pulling their stuff off Netflix in favor of creating their own platforms.

Cloudbox on a rented dedicated server, everything is automatic and things just show up in Plex.

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12. jjuliu+O3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:37:33
>>runjak+o3
Radarr and Sonarr; stay away from them!
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13. monetu+S3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:37:45
>>_track+M1
I have access to apple TV, the service, but it is easier for me to use Kodi on a raspberry pi to watch it. Make of that what you will. I know there needs to be a hub for all of the streaming services, and the options seem imperfect in one significant way or another.
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14. takoid+T3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:37:46
>>_track+M1
> I don’t have to dig through some torrent sites, download it, then stream it to the tv.

This is not the reality of piracy in 2022.

https://radarr.video/

https://sonarr.tv/

https://www.plex.tv/

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15. airstr+84[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:38:15
>>_track+M1
At this point, I actually pay for Netflix + Hulu(+ESPN+Disney) + Amazon Prime + I get HBO Max with my AT&T plan otherwise would also have to pay for that one. In the past I have also paid, for a limited amount of time, for Apple TV, Paramount+, Starz, Cinemax, The Criterion Channel, FuboTV, BritBox and Peacock. I'm probably forgetting a few.

I'm fairly certain Comcast's cable package they keep spamming me costs less than those combined

Media consumption is expensive again. All we've done is move from the cable bundle with terrible content to a different set of un-/re-bundled channels where the slightly better content lives.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/10/hbo-max-d...

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16. robert+j4[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:39:17
>>jupp0r+(OP)
People who wanted to steal tv shows never stopped. It's an ethics thing, not a convenience thing.
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17. davidj+75[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:43:11
>>robert+j4
I really don't think it's that simple. Ethics bend and break around inconvenience.
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18. microm+c5[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:43:23
>>robert+j4
I absolutely stopped pirating due to the convenience of streaming.

Maybe I'm unusual, but I doubt it.

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19. tomrod+L5[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:46:49
>>robert+j4
Very few people operate against ethics, virtually everyone considers convenience (or, in other words, non-tangible use cost).
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20. Msw242+P5[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:47:16
>>fullsh+v2
What do you do when you find out that you make more per ad-tier user than you do for ad-free user[0]?

The incentives go in the wrong direction from a UX perspective

[0] https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/hulu-makes-about-15-in-reven...

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21. lotsof+K6[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:50:47
>>airstr+84
Media consumption of everything all at once is expensive.

But it is on demand now, which is a great improvement.

And people can also pick and choose. I can buy individual episodes or seasons, or I can pay for one service per month and then cancel and pay for another next month. Or people can pay for everything all at once if they want. Or they can watch YouTube for free or pay to have fewer ad breaks.

I see lots of improvement compared to the previous situation.

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22. smeyer+R6[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:51:09
>>Msw242+P5
Can the answer not just be to charge more for the ad-free tier? The gap between what I'm willing to pay for a streaming service with and without ads is a lot more than what the current going rate is.
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23. Bayart+V7[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:56:08
>>airstr+84
The Criterion Channel and MUBI are the only video streaming subscriptions I ever found real sustained value in.
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24. Schroe+W7[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:56:08
>>Msw242+P5
They'll just make the ad free price higher or the ads more obnoxious (or turn the ad free tier into a slightly less ads tier)
25. BuyMyB+38[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:56:30
>>jupp0r+(OP)
How accessible is piracy for the average person? I’ve had people in my circle of friends and acquaintances ask me how to pirate media safely. They are broadly aware that music and movies can be pirated, but they typically just visit some sketchy website that plays the content in the browser or they do not attempt to pirate anything because they are afraid of getting caught and/or sued.

Downloading a torrent client and VPN is seen as confusingly complicated for many of them. Once I help them get past that, I also have to train them to search safely and parse the file names of what they are trying to find. More than just informing them that a movie is not a 25 MB exe file, but that there is a convention around encoding/file type, bit rate, and how episodes/tracks are named.

It is understandable, but I think there is a huge mental barrier for most non-savvy computer users. I think that unless there is some friendly and non-sketchy all in one service to facilitate piracy there will not be some widespread upswell in piracy among the general public.

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26. joshst+78[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:56:35
>>jupp0r+(OP)
Piracy is already the vastly superior user experience (If you are willing to put the time/money into it).
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27. sseagu+s8[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:58:00
>>lotsof+K6
> I can pay for one service per month and then cancel and pay for another next month

I would not be surprised to see this go away. Some services have shows released regularly one episode at a time, which mimics broadcast TV (although that doesn't really bother me, and can be a good thing).

But I would be willing to bet that they begin restricting access to these shows based on subscription length or something (can only see a show with a 1 year subscription or something).

The goal is 100% to retake control from the consumer (well, it is to make money, but they will do that via controlling what a consumer can see).

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28. eptcyk+z8[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:58:37
>>somehn+w3
I love how horrible UX ends up wasting hardware - not that this is something to be held against people who host their own media services, I'm doing the same. But serving media is definitely a thing that scales well with centralized CDNs and other infrastructure - copying the same data to everyone's personal cloud hosted Plex implies duplicating a lot of terabytes, essentially wasting hard drive space, nobody watches their Plex troves 24/7, so the hard drives and CPUs will be idling a good amount of their life. Popcorntime was a great way to increase homebrew media distribution efficiency w.r.t. to content delivery and storage, maybe it's time it got resurected?
29. zikdur+C8[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:58:54
>>jupp0r+(OP)
Remember when you would pay for cable TV services so you didn't have to watch ads? -- something, something Pepperidge Farms meme.
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30. Always+R8[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:59:47
>>jupp0r+(OP)
Even if something is streaming, and you have access to all/most streaming services, its a pain to figure out what is on what platform.

Want to watch the new season on x? Oh even though HBO has all the old seasons, the new season is on another service.

Want to watch x movie you saw on netflix two months ago? Netflix doesnt have the rights anymore now and you'll have to dig through your streaming services to see where it landed or hope whatever, "Where is this streaming?" website you land on is accurate and up to date.

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31. rchaud+S8[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:59:59
>>jupp0r+(OP)
Superior UX, really? I'd agree if it were pre-2012 (Megaupload takedown), because back then torrent sites used to be able to operate with impunity. Go to the site, type something into search, then download.

Now everything has moved to private trackers, invite-only Discords and more and more outside of the clearweb. That's a far worse UX IMO.

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32. moreir+49[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:00:52
>>smeyer+R6
The problem is that if you increase the price too much, the bad PR and hit to your reputation will likely offset any extra revenue. If a service like Hulu released a $50/mo ad-free tier people would freak out, even if they still had access to the same free ad-tier experience they do now. I don't know that it'd be beneficial.
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33. shmatt+c9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:01:15
>>Always+R8
I find Roku's search engine great for this scenario. Tells you which service and also if its free with membership, without membership, or paid per episode
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34. vincne+k9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:01:46
>>_track+M1
Just google “popcorn time”. It’s a user friendly UI for torrent world. On the facade it looks like regular streaming service. In the back it downloads and shows torrents seamlesly. Depending on yor country, consider using VPN.
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35. Richar+l9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:01:46
>>Always+R8
The Pirate Bay has all the seasons. Even with the hassle of starting my VPN, downloading, making sure it's in the right format, dealing with subtitles (looking at you, Better Call Saul), piracy is a better experience than fragmented streaming.
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36. sfvega+E9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:03:15
>>Always+R8
This isn’t really that hard on Apple TV though. Siri has universal search and will show media and punch out to the right app.
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37. tcptom+F9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:03:19
>>robert+j4
Copyright infringement isn't theft.

And to say that it's just an ethics thing, is completely ignorant view. It's perfectly acceptable to torrent something when living in a country that wasn't deemed worthy by the rights holder to release their product there.

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38. scarfa+G9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:03:20
>>Michae+91
Why does this meme always come up in any discussion when it only takes a little bit of research (if you aren’t old enough to remember) to know this was never true?

Cable TV was first pitched as a method to get broadcast TV - with ads - in places that couldn’t get broadcast. Cable companies put big towers up and rebroadcasted network TV - with ads.

Then HBO came along as an ad free premium channel and it still is.

Then the “Superstations” like TBS out of Atlanta came along. Which were always ad supported and started broadcasting nationally.

Then the first cable channels came along like MTV, Lifetime, ESPN, USA. Not only dud they have ads from day one, they had infomercials to fill out the time when they didn’t have programming to show.

There has never been a time since the invention of cable TV in the US that it was ad free.

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39. Foxhul+X9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:04:31
>>BuyMyB+38
I’d recommend looking into Radarr and Sonarr. Those two programs really simplify the process and is basically automated once the initial setup including automatically moving and renaming the files for to a plex library if you happen to be interested in using something like plex. I personally think Usenet is better than torrenting but I also choose to spend about $60ish dollars per year on providers and indexers because I feel that it’s worth the cost.
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40. z3c0+5a[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:05:03
>>BuyMyB+38
Much like how private chat and gaming servers work, I expect the onus will fall upon the tech-savvy to host content for their friends via services like Plex, Jellyfin, or the like.
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41. wabore+8a[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:05:18
>>rchaud+S8
I find that to get the superior UX experience, there is quite a lot of work that has to be done upfront. A lot of technical experience is also assumed because many of these “bridges” don't have real guides.

But once you do go through those trenches, it can be quite amazing to see how simple everything can be if things weren't exclusive to a dozen different streaming services.

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42. claaam+ha[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:05:58
>>BuyMyB+38
You can also be the person that downloads things and hosts it privately for your friends. You could even share it via onedrive or similar cloud platforms provided you zip, encrypt/pw protect and rename it.
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43. dublin+Na[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:07:48
>>BuyMyB+38
>friendly and non-sketchy all in one service to facilitate piracy

I've heard that paid Plexshares are more or less this. You pay to access a private streaming server that has all the content you could ever want. No VPNs, no torrent clients, no parsing formats, no viruses, no running an HDMI cable from a PC to your TV. It's as easy as any other paid streaming service, without exclusive content restrictions.

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44. dvngnt+ab[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:08:48
>>Foxhul+X9
for me this was infinitely harder than using kodi or just torrenting and saving to library. and i work in software dev with CS major.
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45. epicid+cb[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:08:51
>>BuyMyB+38
Great points, but I'd like to draw attention to the distinction between pirating media and doing so safely.

It used to be that either one required a bit of know-how, but I've personally seen cases where the barrier to entry is lower for just obtaining the media. Safety isn't just an afterthought as much as total ignorance.

In the most alarming case I witnessed, an acquaintance of mine had a friend who "knew enough to be dangerous": they were sideloading an app on their settop box for them that just pulled from some site. I'm sure it would work to watch rips of new movies or whatever, but I doubt it even used TLS.

I had to explain to my acquaintance that not only would it be easily visible by their ISP (and why that's bad), but that it was almost certainly illegal in the first place.

Getting a movie for free sounds obviously sketchy to most of us, but think about the number of gadgets and services that have been advertising exactly that for decades[0]. Understanding the difference requires some technical knowledge.

[0]: The catch usually being that "free" really means "after fulfilling some other obligation", such as signing up for a free trial of something.

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46. Liquix+Lb[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:10:47
>>BuyMyB+38
Would a "widespread upswell in piracy amongst the general public" ultimately be a good thing? How much more accessible can it get? If A.) clicking through a software installer and B.) reading file names is too high a barrier of entry... Streaming services will gladly take your money.

A small-scale solution could be setting up a Jellyfin or similar server for all your friends + family members. Curate it with what they ask for, maybe give them access to a Sonarr instance so they can add content themselves. There are client apps for smart TVs, phones, and a web player. Maybe they'll like it so much they tell their friends, or want to set up their own :)

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47. scarfa+Mb[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:10:49
>>Richar+l9
Only to a geek. I much rather just pay money and juggle the streaming services. I had a Mac Mini running Front Row connected to a TV back in 2005 and then graduated to Plex until 2020. It’s really not worth it when both the AppleTV and Roku have universal search.
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48. scarfa+zc[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:14:34
>>zikdur+C8
That time was never

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33177999

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49. thakop+Ad[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:18:03
>>scarfa+G9
Thanks for mentioning this. I’ll admit I believed the meme.

From a 1981 NYT article

> Although cable television was never conceived of as television without commercial interruption, there has been a widespread impression - among the public, at least -that cable would be supported largely by viewers' monthly subscription fees.

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/26/arts/will-cable-tv-be-inv...

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50. Foxhul+1e[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:19:30
>>dvngnt+ab
It’s definitely not the solution for everyone. I don’t and have never worked in anything IT related but I have a homelab for fun and this was just the first “major” thing I did with the old server I bought to teach myself some things and provide something somewhat useful at the same time.
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51. thakop+gf[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:24:12
>>Liquix+Lb
A few friends in different US regions running Jellyfin in a container with an Hdhomerun (~$100) and rabbit ears (~$50) could effectively reproduce the DirectTV Sunday ticket (~$300).

I anticipate some version of family and friend supported distributed services to continue growing in the near future.

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52. jjuliu+Gf[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:25:53
>>lotsof+K6
>I can buy individual episodes or seasons...

Can you, though? By this I mean, what does "buying" an episode/season look like? Have you simply paid for a license to watch the content via the provider you subscribe to as long as the provider continues to hold onto it's agreement with the rights holder that allows them to host the content, and you continue to pay said provider a monthly access fee? Or do you possess a physical copy, or a digital file, of the episode/season, un-DRM'd, on a device that you own?

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53. lp0_on+5g[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:27:24
>>smeyer+R6
This is boiling the frog though? These services were sold to us as something without ads. Seems really mob-like for the services to say to me: pay more or we're going to start showing ads on the thing we sold to you with the promise you wouldn't have any ads.

Rinse and repeat another year later.

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54. lotsof+xg[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:29:10
>>jjuliu+Gf
That is true, I should rephrase to state I can rent for an unspecified amount of time. But I also do not care enough about media to care if it goes away. I just buy for the toddlers who like to watch things on repeat. For me, I just rent whenever I want to watch something,
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55. hannia+0h[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:30:54
>>BuyMyB+38
Syncler + Premiumize or Real Debris is fantastic and super easy to use. No server setup needed, you stream everything. Comes working out of the box and if you want to play with some settings it's in an easy settings menu.
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56. lotsof+Dh[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:33:09
>>sseagu+s8
That is fine with me, media is a completely nonessential part of life, and a seller can sell how they want and a buyer can choose to buy or not buy.

The great thing is the unnecessary middleman that used to restrict how sellers can sell is now out of the picture. Or in Comcast’s case, merged into one entity.

But that is a separate problem of government not designating fiber internet as a utility.

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57. runjak+8k[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:42:18
>>jjuliu+O3
Thank you for responding, I definitely will.
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58. smeyer+Nk[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:44:43
>>lp0_on+5g
I don't think that's particularly a problem. Just because Netflix or Hulu offered one service when I first used them a decade ago doesn't mean they're obliged to provide the same service at the same price forever. I occasionally cancel a streaming service if I decide that it's no longer providing enough value to me, just like I'd cancel my current subscriptions if they started adding ads.
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59. jupp0r+Sp[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 16:05:08
>>robert+j4
Music piracy took off because people wanted to consume mp3s but the music industry kept telling them they should use CDs instead.
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60. spania+gE[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 17:06:09
>>vincne+k9
FAIK it's currently down.
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61. squeak+nP[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 17:57:36
>>scarfa+G9
> Then the first cable channels came along like MTV, Lifetime, ESPN, USA.

MTV was actually a ripoff of QUBE channel C-1 program "Sight on Sound" which didn't air advertisements the way we think of them. Instead record labels could pay to have their music videos prioritized or to run giveaway contests.

QUBE also lead to the creation of Nickelodeon (Which itself was ad-free for several years). QUBE channel C-3 "Pinwheel" was the first cable channel made for only young children, and was spun off into Nickelodeon when QUBE went defunct.

The QUBE T channels were just cable links to conventional OTA broadcast television channels (T for television).

QUBE C channels (C for community) did not have ad breaks. Instead there would be sponsored giveaways or sponsored shows which eventually lead to the current practice of infomercials. Except with QUBE the segments were live and viewers could push one of 5 buttons on the remote to interact with the program. For example in a sponsored cosmetics segment viewers could vote on whether the next topic would be one of 5 options, lipstick, mascara, etc. Sight on Sound would ask some questions about current viewer demographics (are you male/female. Are you in age group ABCDE. How many people are watching right now), the dj would say it was to play music matching the current demographic, but it was mainly collected to give metrics to sponsored segments or to wait for an appropriate time to play a sponsored segment.

But what most urban people considered "cable" at the time would be the QUBE P-channels. P for Pay. Unlike other pay channels at the time like HBO, the P channels were a monthly subscription (each), not pay per view. Notably, QUBE got into the news several times because of channel P-10, which aired softcore porn.

Also ESPN did not initially air advertisements during programming, only in between programs. But they also only had sports no one really cared about for the first few years. No major sports, no college games. But they did have highlights and some international sports.

https://youtu.be/7Fz1bSViIZw

The main reason early cable-only channels didn't have advertising is mainly because the subscriber numbers were so small there wasn't much revenue to be made targeting 5-10k viewers. Once subscriber numbers went up, and higher budget programming was in-demand (sports licensing is ridiculously expensive) ad breaks similar to OTA channels were introduced. But many of cable's early adopters bought into it on word of mouth, and word at the time was "no ad breaks!" It wasn't a goal of cable TV, just a side effect of the development.

It was only a few years, but there were a few years when cable tv had no ad breaks for the majority of urban subscribers. It's sort of like someone saying Netflix used to have pretty much every show and movie, and then pulling up stats from 2014 and beyond saying no they didn't.

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62. edgyqu+8R[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 18:06:31
>>sseagu+s8
No the goal is to make money
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63. squeak+bR[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 18:06:33
>>Liquix+Lb
There used to be an app called Popcorn Time which had a Netflix-like UI but was actually serving the videos from torrents. It would attempt to download the torrent data sequentially so you could stream the show/movie after about 10 seconds of buffering.
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64. scarfa+9Z[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 18:41:04
>>squeak+nP
> Instead record labels could pay to have their music videos prioritized or to run giveaway contests.

Isn’t that a form of advertising?

> QUBE also lead to the creation of Nickelodeon

If I recall correctly, Nickelodeon use to fill up late night spots with infomercials.

replies(1): >>squeak+Ku1
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65. squeak+Ku1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 21:04:03
>>scarfa+9Z
It is advertising, but usually not the kind people are complaining about. There's no Netflix tier to remove product placement from shows.

And yeah Nickelodeon did but that's because the network was "off" during those hours. When it was on it was 12 hours uninterrupted for the first 5 years.

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66. scarfa+WN1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 22:14:28
>>squeak+Ku1
> It is advertising, but usually not the kind people are complaining about. There's no Netflix tier to remove product placement from shows.

Fair point.

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67. Msw242+qs3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-13 13:32:11
>>smeyer+R6
Because raising prices doesn't necessarily increase revenue.
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68. BuyMyB+fE3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-13 14:27:08
>>Liquix+Lb
I’ll admit that A) and B) are ultimately really simple things that most people should be able to manage. However I’ve come to learn that most people are not nearly as comfortable using computers as we would think. They use computers very narrowly and are hesitant to break them.
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69. Always+NG3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-13 14:37:13
>>scarfa+Mb
> I had a Mac Mini running Front Row connected to a TV back in 2005 and then graduated to Plex until 2020

Clicking a mirror link sounds less difficult than this. If you're going through the trouble of setting up some system its going to as simple to type in a show name and click a link... Even to a non geek.

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