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Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

submitted by Tanger+(OP) on 2020-06-12 22:14:24 | 344 points 219 comments
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4. _rn+99[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 23:33:30
>>nsains+P8
Yeah this is a strange and pretty misleading headline. Here’s the primary source tweet: https://twitter.com/aweary/status/1271522288752455680?s=21
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7. dceddi+E9[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 23:36:26
>>JohnBe+79
The phrase has some history. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_looting_starts,_the...
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9. mgleit+7a[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 23:40:11
>>nsains+P8
Indeed -- here is some additional context that the article doesn't provide:

The fired employee Tweeted today:

>In the interest of transparency, I was let go for calling out an employee’s inaction here on Twitter. I stand by what I said. They didn’t give me the chance to quit [0]

He then specifically cited [1] the Tweet in question that was the cause:

>I asked @Vjeux to follow @reactjs's lead and add a statement of support to Recoil's docs and he privately refused, claiming open source shouldn't be political.

>Intentionally not making a statement is already political. Consider that next time you think of Recoil. [2]

This is specifically targeting an individual front-end engineer at FB, which in my own estimation crosses the line from criticism of executives or general policy, to specifically trying to instigate public outrage against a co-worker. If such actions were directed at me, I would definitely consider it as contributing to a hostile work environment. It all strikes me as a modern-day example of "Havel's greengrocer" [3].

[0] https://twitter.com/aweary/status/1271522288752455680

[1] https://twitter.com/aweary/status/1271531477209976832

[2] https://twitter.com/aweary/status/1267895488205869057

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless#Hav...

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11. zachri+pa[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 23:42:18
>>Aviceb+g4
Extremely public: https://twitter.com/aweary/status/1267895488205869057 - so public in fact, he brought the private messages out publicly as well.
14. freen+mb[view] [source] 2020-06-12 23:50:23
>>Tanger+(OP)
Facebook: hardcore about unlimited freedom of speech, unless you want to unionize.

Then you can fuck right the fuck off.

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/11/facebook-workplace-union...

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17. JohnBe+Gb[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 23:52:19
>>dceddi+E9
Is the history of that phrase commonly known? That long and detailed Wikipedia Article was only created after Trump said the phrase:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=When_the_looting_...

19. _b3dj+Nb[view] [source] 2020-06-12 23:53:23
>>Tanger+(OP)
> “Intentionally not making a statement is already political,” Dale wrote in the tweet

No it’s not. And this reminds me of the Dictatorship of the small minority [0] from NN Taleb. There are small intolerant minorities who are extremely vocal on certain matters to the point their opinions resemble a dictatorship

[0] https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

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25. underw+jc[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-12 23:56:19
>>_rn+99
The original tweet is more telling. https://mobile.twitter.com/aweary/status/1267895488205869057
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49. dekhn+5f[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 00:21:42
>>SpicyL+Sb
This is the MO of news journalism (well, at least a subset). There's a narrative that sells ("big corp = bad, fire person for complaining to zuck") but they still typically include a little detail in the article ("actually fired for harrassing coworker") below the lede.

I don't think I've ever seen a newspaper that hasn't done this.

[edit: if you want to see some articles about misleading headlines, see https://daily.jstor.org/the-incredibly-true-story-of-fake-he... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/youll-cry-when-you... ]

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60. camero+Xg[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 00:36:34
>>marta_+xg
> 40% of Americans are supporting Trump that should worry us

Hmm, mob rule and "educating people why they are wrong" does one thing - it sends these people underground and it's why Trump might win again:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/secret-donal...

I'd rather have these ideas out in the open where people can defeat the arguments properly without ad-hominem, rather than shouting them down. And hell, maybe even learn something new.

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64. thrwaw+hh[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 00:39:32
>>JohnBe+79
If you wanna believe the man who said that.

Here's the actual tweet explaining it - https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12664341539328942...

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65. bsamue+jh[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 00:40:02
>>underw+jc
The first few replies are even more telling. When someone tells him that calling out a coworker is in bad taste, you get this gem

>oh no Arthur thinks I'm rude, how will I recover

https://twitter.com/aweary/status/1267927023596400642?s=20

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68. kyrra+yh[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 00:41:58
>>defen+ue
There are state dependent laws. California for example: https://www.shouselaw.com/employment/political-retaliation.h...

Some high level laws by state: https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/political-aff...

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73. nickff+7i[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 00:45:17
>>makomk+Fe
I agree that this type of toxic peer-pressure is spreading, and I have no idea what to do about it. It reminds me of what Louis Fischer and Arthur Koestler described in their respective essays in "The God That Failed".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_that_Failed

76. renaud+ni[view] [source] 2020-06-13 00:47:59
>>Tanger+(OP)
“I do get a sense sometimes now among certain young people, and this is accelerated by social media, there is this sense sometimes of: ‘The way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people, and that’s enough.”

“Like, if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself, cause, ‘Man, you see how woke I was, I called you out.’”

“That’s not activism. That’s not bringing about change. If all you’re doing is casting stones, you’re probably not going to get that far. That’s easy to do.”

- Barack Obama

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/us/politics/obama-woke-ca...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM

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136. pnw_ha+5r[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 02:13:16
>>kyrra+yh
Some cities have similar laws as well.

The City of Seattle "assure[s] equal opportunity to all persons, free from restrictions because of race, color, sex, marital status, sexual orientation, gender identity, genetic information, political ideology, age, creed, religion, ancestry, national origin, honorably discharged veteran or military status or the presence of any sensory, mental or physical disability."

https://library.municode.com/wa/seattle/codes/municipal_code...

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144. rasz+Js[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 02:33:14
>>Grimm1+xd
Was a famous IBM motto in the thirties. You dont receive der Fuhrer's "The Merit Cross of the German Eagle with Star", granted to 'honor foreign nationals who made themselves deserving of the German Reich.' by talking bad about political leaders now do you.

IBM commercial from 1934 'Übersicht hollerith lochkarten' https://dave.autonoma.ca/blog/2019/06/06/web-of-knowledge/im...

IBM CEO photo-op with the leader https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/punched-cards/2/1...

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174. rumana+YP[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 07:46:08
>>lightg+GD
> What Trump is doing exactly?

He has been doing the same old Trump-y things, such as publicly praising violent crack-down of protests in places like Mineapolis as being "beautiful".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/11/beautiful-...

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175. mshroy+RW[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-13 09:22:28
>>caseys+8A
I love XKCD, but that strip is philosophically and historically ignorant.

Free speech isn't the First Amendment. Free speech is a broad foundational principle of liberalism, and the First Amendment is just an encoding of this principle in the context of the U.S. government. But go back to Mill's "On Liberty" and you'll find that he was just as concerned about threats to free speech stemming from social disapprobation as those from the government.

Anyway, I prefer this modified version of the strip: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECqxDQGVAAAXUgK?format=jpg&name=...

209. MattGa+Hs3[view] [source] 2020-06-14 14:12:00
>>Tanger+(OP)
The actual tweet for anyone who tried to go to the source material and found it protected.

http://archive.is/QBw9h

He publicly criticized a co-worker and when that co-worker tried to discuss it privately, he publicly criticized him again.

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217. caseys+v16[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-15 14:20:16
>>deanCo+lc4
Thanks for your analysis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

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