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1. faissa+(OP)[view] [source] 2019-11-26 17:23:10
I still fail to understand why they shouldn't just be allowed to use computers. This is a failure of the education system to adapt.
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2. Jtsumm+E2[view] [source] 2019-11-26 17:37:29
>>faissa+(OP)
Part of the problem is affordability of $100 calculators for both the students and the educators. That problem remains, and is worse, if you want to get them to buy and use computers.

However, this was partially addressed in the article. Phones (if students have them) have apps which make solving the math problems too easy, scan the problem and the steps and solution are displayed. So teachers can't permit them in the classroom if they eliminate the learning objective entirely.

With regard to computers, though, Desmos [0] was spoken of in the article. They have apps for computers and phones, and they've made some headway with making the computer program available when students have mandatory tests that are already on computers.

I don't think your judgement really makes sense, the education system is adapting. But it's a long process and the problem still remains, if educational materials and curricula require the use of technology, and the teachers and students can't afford it, then it's still a failure or sets up classes of people to fail due to lack of economic viability.

[0] https://www.desmos.com/

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3. lopmot+P7[view] [source] 2019-11-26 18:06:13
>>faissa+(OP)
"still"? Do you mean you've had that lack of understanding before, not thought of any possible explanation, and then continued to not understand but be interested enough to post about it online? Surely even the briefest attempt to imagine a reason would come up with "they might use the computer to cheat" or "it's too expensive" or "they'll play games". Since they seem obvious, if you excluded such a possible reason, maybe you could mention that in your post so people don't unhelpfully tell you.
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4. faissa+0L2[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-11-27 19:15:25
>>lopmot+P7
The explanation "they might use the computer to cheat" simply indicates to me that the education system is not keeping up with the times. As for "it's too expensive", Raspberry Pis go for like 30 GBP, those schools have computers anyway and everyone has a phone now. As for "they'll play games" I don't see how this is the concern of the school.
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5. faissa+NL2[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-11-27 19:20:17
>>Jtsumm+E2
"Phones (if students have them) have apps which make solving the math problems too easy, scan the problem and the steps and solution are displayed" If teaching is obsoleted by technology then it is teaching that must change not the technology.
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6. Jtsumm+CW2[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-11-27 20:24:10
>>faissa+NL2
The material is not obsoleted. We wouldn't say that literacy was useless because phones can read off everything to us. Why would we say the same about K-12 mathematics?
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7. faissa+BX3[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-11-28 08:42:04
>>Jtsumm+CW2
Phones can read things to us but it's grossly inefficient and alot of literacy is about reading comprehension. The same can't be said for most of K-12 mathematics.
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